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05-05-2012, 03:57 PM
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(05-05-2012 05:26 AM)bwilson Wrote:  I know, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Atheists need to stop the "Jesus was a cool guy" stuff. He really wasn't. He was a first century David Koresh with delusions of grandeur.
Yeah. I've been saying this for years. If Jesus was real, he was a deluded madman who preached a highly immoral doctrine.
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05-05-2012, 03:58 PM
RE: Was Jesus really a good moral teacher? (video)
(05-05-2012 03:27 PM)kim Wrote:  Whoa - brain-fart of epic proportion; I think I've been mistaking these islands for the Seychelles. Ohmy Laughat


Smartass an' I done gradiated from a colege, 2. Blink
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Well - always said I wanted to go there before I die so... Cunts Island it is. Thumbsup

Or Cuntsville, or Cuntworld... Cunts-R-Us... whatever. Dodgy
You want to go bugger those old farts? YECK! Hobo
Well, to each his own I guess... Unsure

FYI, gradiator: Tristan da Cunha is not a tropical island. It's a volcano island. In the middle of a howling stormy ocean.

And for the Seychelles you had better be quick. Before they disappear beneath the waves.
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06-05-2012, 08:33 PM
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Before we even get to this 'Was Jesus this or that' bullshit.

Let's just first establish if there is any proof that he existed.

Forget Jesus. Stars died so you could live.-Lawrence Krauss

For god loved the world so much he tortured his only begotten son, gave him a 3 day nap only to wake up in ultimate awesomeness and called it a sacrifice.
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06-05-2012, 10:10 PM
RE: Was Jesus really a good moral teacher? (video)
(05-05-2012 03:57 PM)Blood Wrote:  
(05-05-2012 05:26 AM)bwilson Wrote:  I know, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Atheists need to stop the "Jesus was a cool guy" stuff. He really wasn't. He was a first century David Koresh with delusions of grandeur.
Yeah. I've been saying this for years. If Jesus was real, he was a deluded madman who preached a highly immoral doctrine.
I hate that mother fucker. Let's kick his ass.

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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06-05-2012, 11:06 PM
RE: Was Jesus really a good moral teacher? (video)
(06-05-2012 10:10 PM)Thomas Wrote:  
(05-05-2012 03:57 PM)Blood Wrote:  Yeah. I've been saying this for years. If Jesus was real, he was a deluded madman who preached a highly immoral doctrine.
I hate that mother fucker. Let's kick his ass.
http://www.markfulton.org/was-“jesus”-a-...hilosopher


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07-05-2012, 12:29 PM
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(06-05-2012 11:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  http://www.markfulton.org/was-“jesus”-a-...hilosopher

Enjoyed the site.

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07-05-2012, 12:53 PM
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No, Jesus was and is not a good moral teacher! He transferred a demon into an innocent herd of pigs and they ran off a cliff to their death so animal cruelty was not in his vocabulary. He also when he was a little boy disappeared from his parents (and spoke to religious priests) whilst his parents were freaking out wondering where he went - I would hope to think that we as society would teach out children not to disappear from us and talk to strangers. They are a couple of examples from the bible.

In terms of lasting effects from Jesus being a "good moral teacher" again I would immediately say no! In the bible it portrays the man as celibate never been married. This is carried on in the Catholic Church and we all know how that one has panned out with its priests having a distorted and mutated outlook on their sexual life!

And anyways, you do not need Jesus to be moral just as much as the notion that morality does not derive from religion alone!

Quote:"Religion poisons everything." - Christopher Hitchens
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07-05-2012, 01:35 PM
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He mentioned that if Jesus came back today he'd probably be thrown in prison.

A picture of jesus today :

[Image: M60Jesus.jpg]

Don't fuck with the christ!

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07-05-2012, 03:37 PM (This post was last modified: 07-05-2012 09:32 PM by Mark Fulton.)
RE: Was Jesus really a good moral teacher? (video)
(07-05-2012 12:29 PM)Thomas Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 11:06 PM)Mark Fulton Wrote:  http://www.markfulton.org/was-“jesus”-a-...hilosopher


Enjoyed the site.

Thanks!

(07-05-2012 12:53 PM)Stefania Wrote:  No, Jesus was and is not a good moral teacher! He transferred a demon into an innocent herd of pigs and they ran off a cliff to their death so animal cruelty was not in his vocabulary. He also when he was a little boy disappeared from his parents (and spoke to religious priests) whilst his parents were freaking out wondering where he went - I would hope to think that we as society would teach out children not to disappear from us and talk to strangers. They are a couple of examples from the bible.

In terms of lasting effects from Jesus being a "good moral teacher" again I would immediately say no! In the bible it portrays the man as celibate never been married. This is carried on in the Catholic Church and we all know how that one has panned out with its priests having a distorted and mutated outlook on their sexual life!

And anyways, you do not need Jesus to be moral just as much as the notion that morality does not derive from religion alone!

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"He also when he was a little boy disappeared from his parents (and spoke to religious priests) whilst his parents were freaking out"

Lucky for little Jesus they were Jewish rabbis, not catholic priests!
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07-05-2012, 04:49 PM
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It takes nothing less than a conscious effort to rip off the rose-colored glasses that we use in our society whenever we examine the teachings of Jesus. We are so conditioned to think of him as the fountain of wisdom and the yardstick of morality that even those like me who have never been Christian still tend to think well of him as a "teacher".

This problem is compounded by how we tend to project ourselves onto our image of Jesus. If you do have a positive view of Jesus, tell me what you think Jesus is and I'll tell you how you would see a glorified vision of yourself, as what you would make if you could create your own role-model of what you aspire to be. I saw Jesus as a man who rejected religion, who preached a rejection of austere laws and ridiculous rules, who called out the church leaders as corrupt, and who was ultimately killed for it. Guess what my attitude toward religion was and is?

It's only once you can critically examine the teachings (one way is by substituting the name for another iconic figure, like Gilgamesh or Hercules) that you see the story as vaguely written enough that people can find what they want. Jesus is, in fact, a two-dimensional walking, talking contradiction. That's why he's a liberal, and a conservative, and a socialist, and a capitalist, and gay, and straight, and bi, and asexual, and black, and white, and Jewish, and Muslim, and Christian, and... whatever you want him to be.

"An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral and the advance of (humanity's) knowledge over time is a greater miracle than all the sticks turning to snakes and the parting of the waters."
-Henry Drummond, "Inherit the Wind"
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