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25-01-2017, 10:42 AM
Was anyone here raised evangelical or equivalent?
How did you break free?

I am genuinely concerned about an acquaintance's children (of course she has 5. gotta populate the earth with sheep).

Girlfriend is OBSESSED with god. It permeates her every thought, post, action, etc. She homeschools her children and it scares me to think what they must hear. She's one of the 'god will show his wrath if we can't convert everyone' sort of people.

So I need to hear stories of hope - how did you break free if you grew up like this??

p.s. just for fun, here is an example of one of her posts from today:

God is using Trump. Read Psalms and look at David's life. God, through President Trump, WILL make this country Christian again.

W.T.F.

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25-01-2017, 10:52 AM
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Ugh. I was raised Irish Catholic, so did the praying to dead saints and on rosaries thing. Then became a pretty hard core Jesus freak in my early twenties because I had a desire to know God more and my best friend was Christian and heavily involved in the church. I went quite a bit to church with her and soon became heavily involved with that crap myself.

Unfortunately, I think the only way out is a desire to get out. They need an impetus, otherwise they are happy living in delusion. I had an impetus: I hated my church's treatment of women and same sex couples. I was unhappy with the way my church was trying to tell me and others how we should live our lives. The final straw was making a male parishioner stand up in front of the whole congregation and tell them that he looked at porn AND had a Christian girlfriend. The scorn and disgust from those fucking parishioners, fuck, it made me want to crank up some porn on my phone and blare "Oh God! Oh God!" to the entire parish right then and there. Wink

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25-01-2017, 11:04 AM
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(25-01-2017 10:52 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Ugh. I was raised Irish Catholic, so did the praying to dead saints and on rosaries thing. Then became a pretty hard core Jesus freak in my early twenties because I had a desire to know God more and my best friend was Christian and heavily involved in the church. I went quite a bit to church with her and soon became heavily involved with that crap myself.

Regarding the catholic thing...A close friend of ours had a sibling that died on March 17, every single year the mother made all the family gather to pray for him.

Can you imagine never being able to celebrate St Patricks day because a family member died on that day and you have to gather to pray for his soul?

I suppose like my friend said, Christmas would be worse.....


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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25-01-2017, 11:08 AM
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(25-01-2017 11:04 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(25-01-2017 10:52 AM)jennybee Wrote:  Ugh. I was raised Irish Catholic, so did the praying to dead saints and on rosaries thing. Then became a pretty hard core Jesus freak in my early twenties because I had a desire to know God more and my best friend was Christian and heavily involved in the church. I went quite a bit to church with her and soon became heavily involved with that crap myself.

Regarding the catholic thing...A close friend of ours had a sibling that died on March 17, every single year the mother made all the family gather to pray for him.

Can you imagine never being able to celebrate St Patricks day because a family member died on that day and you have to gather to pray for his soul?

I suppose like my friend said, Christmas would be worse.....

Idk, would you rather miss a day of gifts or a day of alcohol.

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25-01-2017, 11:22 AM
RE: Was anyone here raised evangelical or equivalent?
I was raised Christian and eventually migrated into a more evangelical faith during my teens. I jumped wholeheartedly into it. But my saving grace, so to speak Big Grin, was public school. Specifically learning the sciences- biology, chemistry, learning about evolution, etc.

I came out of school with that information tucked away. A good 10 years later, I finally managed to fully shed my religion comfortably. I had more freedom to analyze my own thoughts and feelings after some distance from church, from the circumstances that pushed me into a more ardent faith, and from my self-hatred because of my sinful nature.

So, knowledge is critical, in my opinion. Also, critical thought helps greatly if a child can allow themselves to think critically about the Bible itself.
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25-01-2017, 11:23 AM
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I was raised evangelical. When I was about 2, my father started trying to get various Baptist churches to appoint him as a pastor. He could only get part-time, temporary gigs, and the church he ran for a brief time out of our house petered out quickly. After about five years of this, my father then got a full-time job in a jail ministry, and he spent 10 years as a chaplain in various jails and prisons and ran a halfway house for ex-cons trying to adjust back to society.

As you can imagine, my childhood was full of church, god, and the Bible. Every day we had to discuss a Bible verse at breakfast; we went to church on Sundays and Wednesdays; we prayed together multiple times every day; many conversations worked their way around to Jesus; Christian-themed children's books were all over the house; my parents read the New Testament in Greek to each other on Saturday mornings; we were shoved into parks to witness to people about Jesus; etc. etc.

I accepted Jesus as my personal savior when I was 5 years old and divorced Him at around age 15. At 15 I was still a believer in the Christian god, but I had also read the Bible cover to cover about 10 times by that point and had become appalled by that god. I worried about going to hell, but couldn't stomach going to heaven. By around age 20 I'd come to the conclusion that the Christian god was as improbable as Zeus and started thinking of myself as an atheist.

For me the study of Christian books was enough to raise doubts, and once I was living on my own I was able to express my doubts without fear of retribution. But as much as Christian documents influenced me, Christians influenced me more.

I got to study Christian "charity" up close and personal. These experiences made me forever skeptical of people who say atheists shouldn't criticize religion because it helps people be "better"/more moral than they would be otherwise. The Baptists who funded my father's prison ministry made sure he would be working long hours for below-poverty-line pay. They donated their ugliest, rattiest clothes to us and then laughed at us for wearing them. When we brought the ex-cons (often Black and Latino) from the halfway house to church services, the pews where we sat were surrounded by a couple of rows of empty pews.

...and when my mom ran off with one of the ex-cons, the Baptists fired my father, and everyone at the church stopped speaking to us kids (my father made us keep going to the church, even though my mother was gone and he wasn't going, he was spending his Sunday mornings crying). We were bad seeds and bad influences and weren't wanted.

My little brother stayed Christian, but became Episcopalian, which is as far as you can get away from Baptist and still stay Protestant. My little sister isn't Christian. I'm not Christian. Two out of three ain't bad.
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25-01-2017, 11:35 AM
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Wow, julep. I am so glad you were able to avoid all of that craziness. Thanks for sharing your story, it gives me hope for her children.

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25-01-2017, 11:36 AM
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(25-01-2017 11:22 AM)kineo Wrote:  I was raised Christian and eventually migrated into a more evangelical faith during my teens. I jumped wholeheartedly into it. But my saving grace, so to speak Big Grin, was public school. Specifically learning the sciences- biology, chemistry, learning about evolution, etc.

I came out of school with that information tucked away. A good 10 years later, I finally managed to fully shed my religion comfortably. I had more freedom to analyze my own thoughts and feelings after some distance from church, from the circumstances that pushed me into a more ardent faith, and from my self-hatred because of my sinful nature.

So, knowledge is critical, in my opinion. Also, critical thought helps greatly if a child can allow themselves to think critically about the Bible itself.

Sadly, I don't think these kids will ever be exposed to public school. I am sure they will be headed to Liberty U when they 'graduate'.

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25-01-2017, 11:41 AM
RE: Was anyone here raised evangelical or equivalent?
While I wasn't raised evangelical, I had a lot of contact with evangelicals in the community church I was involved in a number of years ago.

Almost all of them, to my knowledge, are still evangelicals. They're much like Trump supporters: facts don't matter.

You might try Street Epistomology but, frankly, she's unlikely to see the errors in her reasoning. Because Satan.

Like our friend Julep here, she has to come to her own conclusions in her own way.
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25-01-2017, 12:19 PM
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(25-01-2017 10:42 AM)ShadowProject Wrote:  How did you break free?

I am genuinely concerned about an acquaintance's children (of course she has 5. gotta populate the earth with sheep).

Girlfriend is OBSESSED with god. It permeates her every thought, post, action, etc. She homeschools her children and it scares me to think what they must hear. She's one of the 'god will show his wrath if we can't convert everyone' sort of people.

So I need to hear stories of hope - how did you break free if you grew up like this??

p.s. just for fun, here is an example of one of her posts from today:

God is using Trump. Read Psalms and look at David's life. God, through President Trump, WILL make this country Christian again.

W.T.F.

I was raised in a Pentecostal/evangelical household, I almost didn't break free, but a love of science and of a critical mind slowly pried me away. Creationism just couldn't be reconciled to science, that; along with events that falsified what I was told about god answering prayer, led me to agnosticism. I was comfortable with this agnostic mode for about 25 years, until I decided to look again at this entire question of faith with a critical eye, then the psychological hold broke, realizing science did disprove elements of the bible, realizing that using coincidental events as evidence was confirmation bias and pure self-deception.

This led me to finally realize- it is bunk, every bit of it, but I suppose that this is a path that each individual has to take, something in their mind that gets fed up with apologists excuses, something that realizes that they don't have any answers, when you move past the excuses, the rationalizations, and the fear, then you finally pick up those forbidden books, go to those forbidden sites.

You actually start learning, not like the apologist clowns we get on this forum, you actually start learning why things in the bible are wrong as opposed to throwing out biblical interpretations and rationalizations for why it's right, you're aim is to falsify religious claims, not support them, that's a world of difference.

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