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25-04-2016, 06:47 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(24-04-2016 10:29 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 05:31 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  The generic one.
Bahahah go fuck your self Tom, tell me what the "generic god" was like in Mesopotamia around 8 thousand years ago and then tell me what it's like in Scandinavia 1500 years ago and lets see how generic it is.

Gods below your an idiot.

Please tell me more about Mesoptamian and early Scandinavian conceptions of a creator God.

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25-04-2016, 07:02 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 06:47 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 10:29 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Bahahah go fuck your self Tom, tell me what the "generic god" was like in Mesopotamia around 8 thousand years ago and then tell me what it's like in Scandinavia 1500 years ago and lets see how generic it is.

Gods below your an idiot.

Please tell me more about Mesoptamian and early Scandinavian conceptions of a creator God.

Just wiki it or something.

Link.

Another link. You lazy sod!

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25-04-2016, 07:03 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(24-04-2016 08:10 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 06:08 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I don't recall what you told me, after awhile the various posters start to blur.

That's alright, we're all well aware how shite you are at this forum business.


(24-04-2016 06:08 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  So i'll have you clarify your position, to see if it's different than the ones other atheists here have expressed.

Consistency question #3:

So in your view chimpanzee and Gorillas, are not able to contemplate their origin, and where they came from? Unlike other atheists here who suggested we don't know one way or the other whether they do or not. And you base this on the fact that even after learning sign language they haven't formed such questions with it?

For all intents and purposes, they do not appear to realize that other beings have other minds. If you can conceptualize that other minds exist outside your own, and that they might have access to information you do not have, then asking a question is how you'd get at such information. But if you cannot conceptualize other minds besides your own existing, how would you know to ask a question? Yours is the only mind, and if you don't know something, there isn't any other mind to ask.

If they possessed a theory of mind, and after being given the tools to form questions, it's a curious thing that they never do ask questions. Are they all just bashful? Too embarrassed by the naked apes to ask questions? Or do they not yet have the capacity to conceptualize that other minds exist?

My money is on the last one.

You avoided directly answering the question. Others here have suggested that we do not know whether or not other animals are able to question their existence, or have contemplated where they came from. That they possibly can and have, but we don't know one way or the other. They lack a belief one way or the other on this question.

Are you of this view as well?

Or do you believe in the affirmative that they are not able to do so, that human beings are unique in this regard, compared to other animals.

Either you hold a positive belief here, or you refrain from doing so. So what is it? Come out with it.


(24-04-2016 06:08 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Okay, some can. That still doesn't get you back farther than that, or negate that many children still don't conceptualize the theory of mind until much later.

So if you have a 2 year old, and they fail the test, indicating that they do not yet conceptualize the existence of other minds and perspectives outside of their own; are you still claiming that they are theists? That a child not yet capable of conceptualizing a theory of mind can be a believer in a 'god' concept?

I think you're conflating when we're able to observe signs in children showing that they can conceptualize other minds, and as to when they actually form this. There's no open and shut case here, very few facts. But it has been observed in children as early as a few months of age. Children a few months of age have even been observed recognizing moral distinctions as well.

Is a new born infant aware of his own mind, that he's trapped in it, does he recognize the reality in front of him, when he steps out the womb? Does he see it as purposeful, magical, enchanted, etc... Unless we've all become infant mind readers, those questions are not really known, they're just guessed.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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25-04-2016, 07:05 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:03 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(24-04-2016 08:10 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  That's alright, we're all well aware how shite you are at this forum business.



For all intents and purposes, they do not appear to realize that other beings have other minds. If you can conceptualize that other minds exist outside your own, and that they might have access to information you do not have, then asking a question is how you'd get at such information. But if you cannot conceptualize other minds besides your own existing, how would you know to ask a question? Yours is the only mind, and if you don't know something, there isn't any other mind to ask.

If they possessed a theory of mind, and after being given the tools to form questions, it's a curious thing that they never do ask questions. Are they all just bashful? Too embarrassed by the naked apes to ask questions? Or do they not yet have the capacity to conceptualize that other minds exist?

My money is on the last one.

You avoided directly answering the question. Others here have suggested that we do not know whether or not other animals are able to question their existence, or have contemplated where they came from. That they possibly can and have, but we don't know one way or the other. They lack a belief one way or the other on this question.

Are you of this view as well?

Or do you believe in the affirmative that they are not able to do so, that human beings are unique in this regard, compared to other animals.

Either you hold a positive belief here, or you refrain from doing so. So what is it? Come out with it.


(24-04-2016 06:08 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Okay, some can. That still doesn't get you back farther than that, or negate that many children still don't conceptualize the theory of mind until much later.

So if you have a 2 year old, and they fail the test, indicating that they do not yet conceptualize the existence of other minds and perspectives outside of their own; are you still claiming that they are theists? That a child not yet capable of conceptualizing a theory of mind can be a believer in a 'god' concept?

I think you're conflating when we're able to observe signs in children showing that they can conceptualize other minds, and as to when they actually form this. There's no open and shut case here, very few facts. But it has been observed in children as early as a few months of age. Children a few months of age have even been observed recognizing moral distinctions as well.

Is a new born infant aware of his own mind, that he's trapped in it, does he recognize the reality in front of him, when he steps out the womb? Does he see it as purposeful, magical, enchanted, etc... Unless we've all become infant mind readers, those questions are not really known, they're just guessed.

HE DOES NOT HAVE TOO!

The one making the assertion, in this case you, must do so.

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25-04-2016, 07:07 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:05 AM)Banjo Wrote:  HE DOES NOT HAVE TOO!

The one making the assertion, in this case you, must do so.

I just asked if he holds an affirmative position here, if he does than he has the burden of proof. If he doesn't hold an affirmative position, and lacks a belief one way or the other, than he doesn't. I'll allow him to clarify, rather than have you speak on his behalf.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

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25-04-2016, 07:11 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:07 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(25-04-2016 07:05 AM)Banjo Wrote:  HE DOES NOT HAVE TOO!

The one making the assertion, in this case you, must do so.

I just asked if he holds an affirmative position here, if he does than he has the burden of proof. If he doesn't hold an affirmative position, and lacks a belief one way or the other, than he doesn't. I'll allow him to clarify, rather than have you speak on his behalf.

Tomasia. You do NOT realise how idiotic your question is. I am currently insane. What's your excuse?

To me you come across as lazy and incompetent and ignorant of your belief system.

Go do some study. I can and will recommend books if asked. I studied early xianity in order to better understand life in the Roman empire. I read the babble and became a pastor.

You? Man, you know nothing as far as I can tell. You're just wasting that guy's time.

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25-04-2016, 07:41 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:11 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(25-04-2016 07:07 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  I just asked if he holds an affirmative position here, if he does than he has the burden of proof. If he doesn't hold an affirmative position, and lacks a belief one way or the other, than he doesn't. I'll allow him to clarify, rather than have you speak on his behalf.

Tomasia. You do NOT realise how idiotic your question is. I am currently insane. What's your excuse?

To me you come across as lazy and incompetent and ignorant of your belief system.

Go do some study. I can and will recommend books if asked. I studied early xianity in order to better understand life in the Roman empire. I read the babble and became a pastor.

You? Man, you know nothing as far as I can tell. You're just wasting that guy's time.

Yes, I'm wasting the guys time asking him whether he holds an affirmative view here or refrains from doing so. Honestly I ask very little of folks here, my questions require very little work, and I'm just measuring consistency. I'm not asking anyone to teach me anything, I'm just seeing what can be gleamed about a person, and the group he affiliates with, from his responses.

Perhaps you feel cocksure about your understanding of Christianity and religion, so do I. Just like you don't expect to learn anything on the subject from theists, and have a low opinion on whatever they might offer, so do I in regards to atheists with chips on their shoulder. So consider this feeling mutual.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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25-04-2016, 07:44 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(25-04-2016 07:11 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Tomasia. You do NOT realise how idiotic your question is. I am currently insane. What's your excuse?

To me you come across as lazy and incompetent and ignorant of your belief system.

Go do some study. I can and will recommend books if asked. I studied early xianity in order to better understand life in the Roman empire. I read the babble and became a pastor.

You? Man, you know nothing as far as I can tell. You're just wasting that guy's time.

Yes, I'm wasting the guys time asking him whether he holds an affirmative view here or refrains from doing so. Honestly I ask very little of folks here, my questions require very little work, and I'm just measuring consistency. I'm not asking anyone to teach me anything, I'm just seeing what can be gleamed about a person, and the group he affiliates with, from his responses.

Perhaps you feel cocksure about your understanding of Christianity and religion, so do I. Just like you don't expect to learn anything on the subject from theists, and have a low opinion on whatever they might offer, so do I in regards to atheists with chips on their shoulder. So consider this feeling mutual.


You now assert I have a chip on my shoulder!

I dislike xenophobic systems of hatred and death cults such as xianity and islam. Just like I dislike the National socialist party.

I am NOT on a theist website. YOU are on an atheist website.

Why?

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25-04-2016, 07:52 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:44 AM)Banjo Wrote:  
(25-04-2016 07:41 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Yes, I'm wasting the guys time asking him whether he holds an affirmative view here or refrains from doing so. Honestly I ask very little of folks here, my questions require very little work, and I'm just measuring consistency. I'm not asking anyone to teach me anything, I'm just seeing what can be gleamed about a person, and the group he affiliates with, from his responses.

Perhaps you feel cocksure about your understanding of Christianity and religion, so do I. Just like you don't expect to learn anything on the subject from theists, and have a low opinion on whatever they might offer, so do I in regards to atheists with chips on their shoulder. So consider this feeling mutual.


You now assert I have a chip on my shoulder!

I dislike xenophobic systems of hatred and death cults such as xianity and islam. Just like I dislike the National socialist party.

I am NOT on a theist website. YOU are on an atheist website.

Why?

Yes, you do have a chip on your shoulder, a venomous dislike of all things religious. You're the epitome of an anti-theist, and occasionally foam at the mouth. I don't even know why you deny this, when you typically just justify it. I've seen you berate innocuous catholics, for no other reason than being catholic, to the point where even others here were taken back.

I tend to ignore this when it comes to you, and less so when it comes to others, but I know that whatever you have to say on the topic of religion, christianity, is likely to come from a place of considerable anger and resentment. I wouldn't call it a dislike, I'd call it a hatred. Which is understandable when you equate being a Christian with being a Nazi.

Quote:I am NOT on a theist website. YOU are on an atheist website.

And I am, so what?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

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25-04-2016, 08:02 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 07:52 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(25-04-2016 07:44 AM)Banjo Wrote:  You now assert I have a chip on my shoulder!

I dislike xenophobic systems of hatred and death cults such as xianity and islam. Just like I dislike the National socialist party.

I am NOT on a theist website. YOU are on an atheist website.

Why?

Yes, you do have a chip on your shoulder, a venomous dislike of all things religious. You're the epitome of an anti-theist, and occasionally foam at the mouth. I don't even know why you deny this, when you typically just justify it. I've seen you berate innocuous catholics, for no other reason than being catholic, to the point where even others here were taken back.

I tend to ignore this when it comes to you, and less so when it comes to others, but I know that whatever you have to say on the topic of religion, christianity, is likely to come from a place of considerable anger and resentment. I wouldn't call it a dislike, I'd call it a hatred. Which is understandable when you equate being a Christian with being a Nazi.

Quote:I am NOT on a theist website. YOU are on an atheist website.

And I am, so what?

Incrrect. I see religion as historical. I dislike Justinian for killing the sports fans in the arena, I dislike Hitler, I dislike Genghis Khan.

This is not a chip.

I do however feel pro life. Therefore xianity is wrong because it is anti life.

Christianity has not hurt me. I grew up an atheist. However I am very very well read. As a result I feel contempt for religion. Not angry. Just disrespectful.

That is NOT anger.

I am angry with idiots like you, who come to where they are unwanted and try to push their BS on others.

Why don't you simply fuck off you cunt?

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