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28-04-2016, 05:44 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(27-04-2016 06:27 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  As if schizophrenia sufferers are the only people who are hard to comprehend. I've seen and dealt with real schizophrenia sufferers who speak real word salad.

It isn't that you are hard to comprehend, it's that you spew nothing but gibberish. You may not be schizophrenic but you need help. Get some.

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It's incredibly rare for you though.

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28-04-2016, 08:27 PM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 09:42 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Ephesians 6 (KJV) - ኤፌሶን
First is speaks to servants not slaves. Servants can be seen as employees today and the bosses the masters.
Had to add something to the point I made on how it IS talking about slaves not servants. I found someone who agrees with me while digging through some old posts. Wanna know who it is?

(29-06-2015 09:53 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-06-2015 09:51 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Here's some of that "good teaching' of which you speak in the New Testament.

Ephesians 6:5
Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ:

Yes he's talking specifically to the slaves. He is giving them understanding in order to keep their harsh treatment to a minimum.

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28-04-2016, 10:42 PM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Isaiah 13 (KJV) & Isaiah 14 (KJV)
Both of those chapters are about Babylon/ Satan/ blaspheme against the Holy Spirit/ knowing misdirection of the faithful. It's the only umforgiven sin.
It's about Babylon kinda (it's not about Satan at all, but I wouldn't expect someone who's only gotten their knowledge of the book of apologetic sites to know that, that's a mistake they all make), and it's also not about blaspheme towards the "holy Spirit". More specifically it's about the great army that will one day be formed to commit genocide against Babylon. Which is presented as a good thing. It's about how god will come in wrath, anger, and cruelty to utterly destroy a civilization through his armies on earth (which is funny cause you keep repeating that god is all goodness and has no anger or wrath....). This is ALSO a good thing apparently.
Among the things that god will have his army do is the mass murder of surrendered prisoners, the wholesale murder of children and infants, the targeting of civilian homes and the systematic rape of civilian women. Which, again, are all considered to be fucking war crimes.

Isaiah 14 is a continuation of what the Lord says he will do to Babylon .....you know...one day...
This includes the murdering of children for the sins of their fathers, SPECIFICALLY to stop the reign of the Babylonian "God-Kings". So even if I accept your dumbfuck assertion that blasphemy is unforgivable (not rape, or murder, or child rape, or burning people alive, oh no those are all forgivable but don't you fucking DARE say something bad about the Holy Spirit!) the CHILDREN which are to be murdered are being murdered for the actions/thoughts of SOMEONE ELSE.

Not only is all of that super motherfucking immoral, but you are not on the side of the argument arguing that war crimes, including the rape of civilians and the murder of children is REASONABLE and ACCEPTABLE.

Fuck. You.

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Jeremiah 48 (KJV) - ኤርምያስ
Same as previous. Blasphemy is the sin that isn't forgiven.
The whole of Jeremiah 48 is about the destruction of Moab and the mass murder of it's people. 48:10 is very clear in what it's saying and that is that any person who refuses to take part in this genocide is cursed by god.

And in your little brain because of your unproven assertion that blasphemy can't be forgiven (rape and child murder can though! Priorities!) that some how makes not just genocide morally fine but the prosecution of those who won't take part in the genocide as well.

What the actual fuck dude?!

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Judges 21 said nothing of rape at all.
That's not just wrong it's disgusting if you don't think what happened to the virgin women in this story was rape. Lets look at what happened:
1.) A group of fanatics destroys your home and murders every single member of your family. Your father is murdered your brothers and uncles, and nephews are all murdered, many of them in front of you.
2.) Next you are kidnapped and taken from your home as the spoils of war.(Side Note: In this time period and in this part of the world that means one thing: being rapped. This is entirely consistent with the times and continued to be the case for far far to long. It still is in some places, sadly.)
3.) You are brought before the leaders of the people who just destroyed your home and murdered most of your family along with your mother and many female relatives. these relatives, including your own mother, are then butchered in front of you because they have had sex before.
4.)You are then told by the people who murdered your family, kidnapped you, killed your mother in front of you that you now have to marry the people who did all that.
And you what? Think these women went to these marriages willingly? You think that they consented to having sex with the people who murdered and destroyed everything and everyone they ever loved or knew? You think it's morally fine to kill someones entire family and then FORCE them to marry you and have your children?
Lets say that they all for some reason gave full, informed, and non-coerced consent and it wasn't rape. Does the rest of the fuckin' actions by the Israelis sound moral to you?

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Judges 11 (KJV) - መሳፍንቲ
It was an oath. The daughter consented, and lastly, all offerings of the Jewish people have not pleased GOD because it wasn't the will of GOD.
Bull-fucking-shit you little weasel. First off it was an deal....that god knew how it would turn out before he made it, he knew that a human sacrifice was going to result in this deal. Secondly it was a deal that god made so that Jephthah could commit genocide towards the people of Ammon (he utterly destroys 20 villages, CIVILANS!) which god has NO FUCKIN' PROBLEM helping him with.
So in this story god willingly allows a young girl to be burned alive in human sacrifice so god will help commit mass murder on a heavily civilian population. And this is all morally fine to you? Killing your child is fine if you promised to do so?

If it's not the will of god why didn't God stop it like he did with Abraham? If killing the mans daughter was not the will of god WHY THE FUCK did god hold up his fucking end of the murder deal knowing it was the result?

Your full of shit dude.

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Matthew 10:21
It just says what is going to happen as the sword or Word of GOD is that of right division between those of Faith. Christ is t advocating physical violence as the sword of God is the Word of GOD and not a sword to kill flesh but to divide the spirit.
Absolute apologetics bullshit. No where in the entire thing does he speak of "spirit" at all but talks specifically about members of a family turning on one another had has this to say earlier in Matthew 10:
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. You will be hated by everyone because of me...."
He is making it VERY clear that the mission of his 12 Apostles will result in family members killing each other. Brutally clear. Jesus is, of course, perfectly fine with this. It's not about some bullshit sword of the spirit, it's about causing dissension and death within families at the spread of his message and that is the POINT of spreading it.

Stop getting your excuses from shitty faith websites.

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Matthew 11 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
Upbraid means to chastise, not condemn ro he'll for eternity.
.......
Matthew 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hell."
Not only have you obviously not read the NT you didn't even bother to read the rest of his speech.

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(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Matthew 13 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
He says they can't understand, but if they could then they will. He doesn't do it to confuse them, they are confused regardless.
Nope, he doesn't say that they can't understand he says that the disciples are allowed to know the secrets of heaven but they (the other people) are not allowed to know the secrets.
"Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given."
He intentionally speaks in parables so that the common people won't figure out the secrets 'cause they are not permitted to know them. He talks intentionally to confuse people so they won't figure it out. This is quite clear.

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Mark 4 (KJV) - ማርቆስ
Again same thing.
Nope, wrong for the same reason. He talks to them specifically so that they will not be able to to understand his message. In fact in Mark he is far more explicit in why he does that saying that he speaks so that they will see and not perceive, hear and not understand...:
"lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them"

He talks to them in riddles instead of plainly because doing so would cause them to see and perceive, hear and understand which would cause them to convert and have their sins forgiven....which apparently Jesus does not want so he speaks in parables to confuse them from the truth. Which is HILARIOUSLY dickish given he condemns the city of Capernaum to Hell for doing just that.

(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Matthew 15 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
He was defending others and simultaniously showing the error and hypocricy of the accusers.
He was defending the practice of his followers not washing their hands before they eat (which is fucking stoopid and this verse would contribute to thousands of deaths over the next 2000 years, effectively proving him to have no supernatural knowledge whatsoever.) by comparing it in severity to not murdering children. Which is immoral and also kind of insane.


(25-04-2016 11:03 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Matthew 19 (KJV) - ማቴዎስ
Has to do with detachment and Faith that GOD will provide for any who actually here and listen. Not waiting around after one has recieved guidance or duty.
Again you are just flatly making up things.
His followers specifically say that they have abandoned all others to follow Jesus and ask what their reward will be to which he responds that his Apostles will sit on 12 thrones judging Israel and that anyone who has abandoned their families will receive rewards in heaven.

It has LITERALLY nothing to do what what you just wrote. At all.



Your knowledge of the bible continues to come from other peoples biased interpretations and twisted logic. Your morality is hideous, your intellect is dysfunctional if functional at all, and you should be ashamed.

Sadly, though not surprisingly, it seems like you have already tucked tail and ran from my last post like this, having completely ignored it. Oh well, hopefully some lurkers can get some benefit out of it.

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28-04-2016, 11:10 PM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  You're conflating faithful unto One Creator GOD with the willfully ignorant.
Given the complete lack of evidence for such a god your faith IS an act of willful ignorance. Also all the things that have been explained and proven to you that you pretend haven't is another example of willful ignorance.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Those who actually strive and reach for what they know is right, with the hypocrite.
You have displayed your own hypocrisy numerous times and you continue to claim your beliefs as knowledge despite many times being explained why that's wrong. Knowledge is demonstrable, you can't demonstrate what you are saying so you don't have knowledge you have belief. This goes right back to you being WILLFULLY IGNORANT.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  This very thing is spoken of in great length in all I have read thus far...
Right, because you actively avoid reading anything that contradicts your own eternal narrative. I'm not gonna fucking congratulate you for your confirmation bias you dumbass.
(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  and coincides with what we both know to be wrong based on logic and the conscience.
I consider willful ignorance and the believe in a god with no evidence to be wrong based on conscience and logic. You have expressed nothing but contempt and total disregard for logic so don't even dare come to me with talk of it.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I don't hold it against any for stereotyping one with the other.
You re not being stereotyped pops, your willful ignorance, delusion, and violent nature are demonstrated, proven, facts.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It can only be expected that people will call out others for obvious deception.
It's a shame that calling you out for your "obvious deceptions" and out right lies has done not a goddamn thing to stop you from lying.

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29-04-2016, 04:14 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(28-04-2016 11:10 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  You're conflating faithful unto One Creator GOD with the willfully ignorant.
Given the complete lack of evidence for such a god your faith IS an act of willful ignorance. Also all the things that have been explained and proven to you that you pretend haven't is another example of willful ignorance.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Those who actually strive and reach for what they know is right, with the hypocrite.
You have displayed your own hypocrisy numerous times and you continue to claim your beliefs as knowledge despite many times being explained why that's wrong. Knowledge is demonstrable, you can't demonstrate what you are saying so you don't have knowledge you have belief. This goes right back to you being WILLFULLY IGNORANT.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  This very thing is spoken of in great length in all I have read thus far...
Right, because you actively avoid reading anything that contradicts your own eternal narrative. I'm not gonna fucking congratulate you for your confirmation bias you dumbass.
(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  and coincides with what we both know to be wrong based on logic and the conscience.
I consider willful ignorance and the believe in a god with no evidence to be wrong based on conscience and logic. You have expressed nothing but contempt and total disregard for logic so don't even dare come to me with talk of it.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I don't hold it against any for stereotyping one with the other.
You re not being stereotyped pops, your willful ignorance, delusion, and violent nature are demonstrated, proven, facts.

(27-04-2016 05:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  It can only be expected that people will call out others for obvious deception.
It's a shame that calling you out for your "obvious deceptions" and out right lies has done not a goddamn thing to stop you from lying.
Willfully ignorant is knowing something but deceiving yourself to the point where you ignore what you know in favor of another conclusion. That's not what my Faith is. I was atheist for a long time wether you believe it or not. I was and still am sceptical. I have lied to my self in the past. That immature contempt you hold towards me, God, and religion is where I was about a decade ago, so don't act like you know something I don't about logic or deception. Being willfully ignorant would be me continuing in atheism after knowing otherwise. Though my violent, rash side can come forward given the right stimuli, that doesn't make me a generally violent person.

Though you believe nothing I say, that doesn't mean I'm a liar. Your insistence on such is a case of your own willful ignorance.

I commend you on your tone, but surely you'll be back to your normal self soon.

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29-04-2016, 04:24 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(29-04-2016 04:14 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Being willfully ignorant would be me continuing in atheism after knowing otherwise.

If you cannot 'show it', you do not 'know it', and you need to stop pretending like you do.

Simple as that pops. And if you cannot understand something that fucking simple, the parts about you being 'rational' and 'skeptical' are complete and utter bullshit.

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29-04-2016, 06:00 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(29-04-2016 04:14 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Willfully ignorant is knowing something but deceiving yourself to the point where you ignore what you know in favor of another conclusion.

Not quite; you still don't understand the difference between 'believe' and 'know'. Willful ignorance is the state of refusing to consider anything that undermines your beliefs. You do not have to "know" that your beliefs are wrong, you just have to insulate yourself from anything that might lead you to that conclusion.

Quote:That's not what my Faith is.

Faith is not a proper noun. It does not need to be capitalized. It needs to be eradicated.

Quote:I was atheist for a long time wether you believe it or not.

There's no reason to not believe that but the question is whether you did not believe because you hadn't thought about it or because you had carefully considered the question and come to the conclusion and realized that there is no good, demonstrable evidence for any god. Many are non-believers for bad reasons or for no reason.

Quote:I was and still am sceptical.

No, that I do not believe based on your posting history. You appear to be, at best, a very superficial thinker and a very gullible person. I believe you think you are skeptic but you do not evince that quality.

You need help Pops. Get some.

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29-04-2016, 09:04 AM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
popsthebuilder Wrote:Though you believe nothing I say, that doesn't mean I'm a liar. Your insistence on such is a case of your own willful ignorance.
No, he is Saint, he never lied that is why he has the right to preach morality to you.

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29-04-2016, 08:08 PM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(29-04-2016 04:24 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(29-04-2016 04:14 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Being willfully ignorant would be me continuing in atheism after knowing otherwise.

If you cannot 'show it', you do not 'know it', and you need to stop pretending like you do.

Simple as that pops. And if you cannot understand something that fucking simple, the parts about you being 'rational' and 'skeptical' are complete and utter bullshit.
One can only so such through action, which I strive to do in all things, ways, and times, to the limit of my feeble ability, of course. My opinion on something that happened to me and has since repeated in forms and been verified in many, many different fashions is without reversion in general, and always will be because of these very real things that I have experienced yet cannot repeat. This doesn't affect my skepticism in other unrelated things. You cannot accurately judge my skepticism based on isolated interactions on an atheist forum. You would know, understand, and agree with that if you weren't predisposed to a biased perspective given the communication and or interaction limits or specifications.

Basically; you're talking out of your ass.

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29-04-2016, 08:12 PM
RE: Was my response to theist too harsh?
(29-04-2016 08:08 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(29-04-2016 04:24 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  If you cannot 'show it', you do not 'know it', and you need to stop pretending like you do.

Simple as that pops. And if you cannot understand something that fucking simple, the parts about you being 'rational' and 'skeptical' are complete and utter bullshit.
One can only so such through action, which I strive to do in all things, ways, and times, to the limit of my feeble ability, of course. My opinion on something that happened to me and has since repeated in forms and been verified in many, many different fashions is without reversion in general, and always will be because of these very real things that I have experienced yet cannot repeat. This doesn't affect my skepticism in other unrelated things. You cannot accurately judge my skepticism based on isolated interactions on an atheist forum. You would know, understand, and agree with that if you weren't predisposed to a biased perspective given the communication and or interaction limits or specifications.

Basically; you're talking out of your ass.

Peace though

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