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28-10-2014, 04:33 PM
Washington Redskins name controversy
I know a lot of people are in favor of not changing the name of the Washington Redskins. What's the argument to not change the name, which is essentially a racial slur? The only one I can think of is the cost to re-brand everything? Others?
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28-10-2014, 04:39 PM
RE: Washington Redskins name controversy
This came up in the "2014 NFL Thread" (in the "Sports" subforum) this morning. An argument is given there, although I don't find it compelling or convincing. Like you, I think the name is a racial slur and should be changed.

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28-10-2014, 05:05 PM
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They should be the Eagles - national bird and all - so Philly can be the Cheese Steaks. Tongue

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28-10-2014, 05:08 PM
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of that argument either. 'Atheist' and 'gay' are appropriate terms, even if the people using them don't like that group. 'Redskin' is an intentional racial slur. It's like saying calling someone gay is the same as calling someone a faggot if you ask me.

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28-10-2014, 05:10 PM
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There are Native Americans for and against a name change. Lets not forget that the Washington Redskins do donate to reservations.
I am however impartial, but there is more to this than just a name.
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28-10-2014, 05:32 PM
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I find I don't have a lot of patience with this dispute. The Redskins owners are a bunch of greedy corporate fucks.

But if the Native Americans pushing this spent 1/10th the amount of time an energy actually trying to do something to improve life on the reservations instead of worrying about fucking tokenism they'd accomplish a lot more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_poverty

A pox on both their houses.

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28-10-2014, 11:11 PM
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I don't understand how you can make the argument they're greedy... and that it would cost too much to re-brand.

If at all, it will boost sales of merchandises by extreme levels if they change the name. First off tons of fans will buy all the Redskins gear they can while it is available. Then most of Washington's fans are still going to be fans, and will then be buying gear of the new team name.

The only argument I've seen used is simply "Tradition" as a valued reason to retain the name. Though oddly the people I ask seem to not care that there is no longer a Washington Bullets NBA team but they are the Wizards.

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28-10-2014, 11:53 PM
RE: Washington Redskins name controversy
(28-10-2014 11:11 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I don't understand how you can make the argument they're greedy... and that it would cost too much to re-brand.

If at all, it will boost sales of merchandises by extreme levels if they change the name. First off tons of fans will buy all the Redskins gear they can while it is available. Then most of Washington's fans are still going to be fans, and will then be buying gear of the new team name.

The only argument I've seen used is simply "Tradition" as a valued reason to retain the name. Though oddly the people I ask seem to not care that there is no longer a Washington Bullets NBA team but they are the Wizards.

They moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Maryland where they became the Ravens. Guess what? People bought Ravens merchandise. This shit has been done before, the owner need to pull his head out of his ass.

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29-10-2014, 06:52 AM
RE: Washington Redskins name controversy
(28-10-2014 11:53 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(28-10-2014 11:11 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I don't understand how you can make the argument they're greedy... and that it would cost too much to re-brand.

If at all, it will boost sales of merchandises by extreme levels if they change the name. First off tons of fans will buy all the Redskins gear they can while it is available. Then most of Washington's fans are still going to be fans, and will then be buying gear of the new team name.

The only argument I've seen used is simply "Tradition" as a valued reason to retain the name. Though oddly the people I ask seem to not care that there is no longer a Washington Bullets NBA team but they are the Wizards.

They moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore Maryland where they became the Ravens. Guess what? People bought Ravens merchandise. This shit has been done before, the owner need to pull his head out of his ass.

Yes, "tradition" is basically the argument that the Redskins' owner uses, although I characterize it more as nostalgia in his case (he references his fond memories of the Redskins growing up). I just don't see how anyone can honestly put forward such an incredibly lame and disingenuous argument. This argument has also been used by state lawyers to try and overturn same-sex marriage statutes, and judges have quickly shot it down as an invalid. Of course there are many examples of cultural practices that were once traditions that no one would tolerate today. How could you ever argue that "tradition" equals "moral good". That's simply an untenable position to take.
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29-10-2014, 07:18 AM
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(28-10-2014 05:05 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  They should be the Eagles - national bird and all - so Philly can be the Cheese Steaks. Tongue

Make them the Turkeys.

The Turkey is "a Bird of Courage", after all.

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