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09-03-2017, 10:08 PM
Watching Fox News With Mom
All my mom does is watch Fox News, I often just ignore it. However when searching up for another song to listen to to drown out the ramblings on TV something caught my attention.

The Republican party often talks about creating more jobs. However just a few minuets ago on the O'Relliy Factor, it was state that.

'The philosophy by Sander supporters that everyone american should have jobs isn't going to happen. Americans compete for jobs, so not everyone is going to get a job.'

This just seemed to confuse me. If the party is so open to creating more jobs, doesn't this kind of go against what they want? I mean they often are the ones screaming 'get people off welfare' as they 'won't work'.

Any thoughts?

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09-03-2017, 11:54 PM
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Don't confuse their slogans with their goals.

The slogans are to fool the dolts. Like people who watch FOX.

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10-03-2017, 01:15 AM
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(09-03-2017 10:08 PM)Ruby Crystal Wrote:  Americans compete for jobs, so not everyone is going to get a job.

Like most of what passes for thought from TV pundits that statement is a non-sequitur. Competition for jobs does not mean there are fewer jobs than job-seekers: the competition is for job type not just a job. Check out the help-wanted media and you'll find little therein you yourself would either be satisfied to take on or are truly qualified to take on. Jobs are plentiful, getting a happy match is what's difficult. We don't always get the perfect job, or getting the perfect job, get to keep it - not just due to competition but all the other wicked arrows of fate that never cease. As you have so accurately mentioned in your OP, it's an issue far beyond the feeble-minded simplicity of TV punditry to even begin to grasp.
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10-03-2017, 03:25 AM
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In Germany we had "full employment" after WWII until the early 70s. Due to WWII there was a lack of males being availiable for the working force in the 50s and 60s. Additionally there was a lot to be rebuilt so there was a gap between demand of workforce (aka "work to do") and the number of availiable males. Thats why Germany invited lots of "guest workers" of whom many (including their families and descendants) stayed and became Germans, or at least stayed in Germany. Thats why we have such a proportinally large populaion of Turks and southern Europeans here.

So, yes, its a non-sequitur. It just depends on the circumstances, and it becomes a demonstrably false statement. Post war Germany proves it.

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10-03-2017, 08:23 AM
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(09-03-2017 10:08 PM)Ruby Crystal Wrote:  The Republican party often talks about creating more jobs. However just a few minuets ago on the O'Relliy Factor, it was state that.

'The philosophy by Sander supporters that everyone American should have jobs isn't going to happen. Americans compete for jobs, so not everyone is going to get a job.'

I think the relevant phrase is "that everyone American should have jobs", with should being the operative word—and not meaning "will". We have a similar jobs-for-everyone political mantra from both sides of politics here in Australia.

Technology has forced around 75% of Aussie employees out of their original and/or career jobs, and forced them into job retraining schemes (underfunded and unlikely) or involuntary early retirement (age 55+). I'm retired now, but I'd hate to be one of the current qualified job-seekers—such as university graduates—and relying on the pittance that makes up government unemployment benefits.

The other employment issue in Australia (and in America too?) is that far, far too many jobs have been casualised—in preference to wages or salaried, full-time positions. We've now got people working for (say) 5 hours a day for 3 or 4 days per week; a scenario dictated by the corporatists and tacitly condoned by our government.

The Australian federal government is now largely controlled by these same corporatists—a "you scratch my back, and I'll scratch yours" sort of thing. Iron ore mining; fossil fuel oil industry; aluminium smelting; electricity generation; residential housing; LNG production and export; health provider services; property and medical insurance; renewable energy; dairy, seafood, poultry, and meat industry etc. All in the government's pocket—or vice versa. Or both.

All of these industries have lost thousands of workers during the past decade, and are still bleeding them. Where I live, 750 industrial workers have just been sacked from a coal-fired power station, and Toyota, Holden (GM) and Ford are all closing or have shut down their Australian production facilities—with the loss of 8,000 jobs by the end of 2017.

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10-03-2017, 08:37 AM
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Watch Fox News?

I'd rather do something less painful. Like getting my dick caught in the slamming closed door of a luxury sedan.

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10-03-2017, 08:42 AM (This post was last modified: 10-03-2017 10:29 AM by Heath_Tierney.)
RE: Watching Fox News With Mom
(09-03-2017 10:08 PM)Ruby Crystal Wrote:  All my mom does is watch Fox News, I often just ignore it. However when searching up for another song to listen to to drown out the ramblings on TV something caught my attention.

The Republican party often talks about creating more jobs. However just a few minuets ago on the O'Relliy Factor, it was state that.

'The philosophy by Sander supporters that everyone american should have jobs isn't going to happen. Americans compete for jobs, so not everyone is going to get a job.'

This just seemed to confuse me. If the party is so open to creating more jobs, doesn't this kind of go against what they want? I mean they often are the ones screaming 'get people off welfare' as they 'won't work'.

Any thoughts?

It's because for the last 8 years they - the Repubs - have done nothing except block policies, foment lies and complain.

Now that they're in power, they've come to realize that governing isn't as easy as they thought it was going to be. Suddenly all those lies they have been spewing - lies about how wonderful supply-side economics is, for instance - are coming home to roost.

The best thing to happen to the Democratic party has been the election of Trump and the Repub-controlled House and Senate, for it is showing how incompetent the Repubs truly are.
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10-03-2017, 10:19 AM
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Quote:it's an issue far beyond the feeble-minded simplicity of TV punditry to even begin to grasp.

And far beyond Trump and his Band of Bullshitters for the same reason.

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10-03-2017, 10:26 AM
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(10-03-2017 08:37 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Watch Fox News?

I'd rather do something less painful. Like getting my dick caught in the slamming closed door of a luxury sedan.

There's probably a fetish websight for aficionados of that sort of thing....

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10-03-2017, 10:43 AM
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(10-03-2017 10:26 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(10-03-2017 08:37 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Watch Fox News?

I'd rather do something less painful. Like getting my dick caught in the slamming closed door of a luxury sedan.

There's probably a fetish websight for aficionados of that sort of thing....

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