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03-03-2014, 07:48 AM
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Also, now there is more of a spotlight on YEC in general from all over the world. There are a lot more people now who are aware of YEC and YECers will face the question 'Wow! You really believe that?' A lot more often. Also, Ham Shank already had enough of the money to 'start' construction, it's having enough to finish it that he needs to worry about!

I honestly think in the long game. Putting Ham under the spotlight is a good thing.

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03-03-2014, 08:00 AM
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(03-03-2014 07:02 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Bill Nye won that debate by far, and not only in the opinion of secular hijackers. Even Christians widely conceded that he won the debate.

Won the battle lost the war. Ham got what he wanted which was exposure and money.

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03-03-2014, 08:13 AM
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(03-03-2014 08:00 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Won the battle lost the war. Ham got what he wanted which was exposure and money.

Robbing Kent Ham of publicity was hardly his goal. It seems far too many imbeciles wish to impose their own agenda on Bill Nye and, when he doesn't deliver what they want, say he fails. Again, Nye won the perception of victory in both camps. That was his goal and he succeeded.

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03-03-2014, 08:21 AM
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(03-03-2014 08:00 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(03-03-2014 07:02 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Bill Nye won that debate by far, and not only in the opinion of secular hijackers. Even Christians widely conceded that he won the debate.

Won the battle lost the war. Ham got what he wanted which was exposure and money.

Agreed in part. It's WAY to early to state a war is lost. ... The exposure he got is a good thing for our side. Even in the UK, since the debate, there has been a rise in awareness of just how much creationism influences the USA. Some of our more credible media (BBC, The Guardian) ran stories about it. I get the impression that the same is happening in USA. People who were indifferent will be put in to a position where they are more likely to make a decision about Evolution/Creationism. It'll take years and years but I think giving Ham a stage and letting him talk is good for our side.

It sucks he makes money in the meantime though.

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03-03-2014, 08:35 AM
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(03-03-2014 08:13 AM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(03-03-2014 08:00 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Won the battle lost the war. Ham got what he wanted which was exposure and money.

Robbing Kent Ham of publicity was hardly his goal. It seems far too many imbeciles wish to impose their own agenda on Bill Nye and, when he doesn't deliver what they want, say he fails. Again, Nye won the perception of victory in both camps. That was his goal and he succeeded.

Yes it was an unqualified smashing. Bill did far better than I thought he would in a first debate against a seasoned conman. However Ham was not just trying to win a debate he was trying to desperately get back on the public's radar. He has been hemorrhaging money of late and needed a fresh injection of cash. Which he got from this spectacle. When Pat Robertson says you are a kook, as he did about Ham, respectability is not what you are aiming for.


(03-03-2014 08:21 AM)Monster_Riffs Wrote:  
(03-03-2014 08:00 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Won the battle lost the war. Ham got what he wanted which was exposure and money.

Agreed in part. It's WAY to early to state a war is lost. ... The exposure he got is a good thing for our side. Even in the UK, since the debate, there has been a rise in awareness of just how much creationism influences the USA. Some of our more credible media (BBC, The Guardian) ran stories about it. I get the impression that the same is happening in USA. People who were indifferent will be put in to a position where they are more likely to make a decision about Evolution/Creationism. It'll take years and years but I think giving Ham a stage and letting him talk is good for our side.

It sucks he makes money in the meantime though.

Ok, in truth it was more "won the skirmish, lost the engagement, advanced the war". Ham got what he wanted out of it but yes in the long term maybe some good will come out of Nye decimating him so easily and showing what batshit crazy ideas this guy is pushing.

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03-03-2014, 08:42 AM
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(03-03-2014 08:35 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Yes it was an unqualified smashing. Bill did far better than I thought he would in a first debate against a seasoned conman. However Ham was not just trying to win a debate he was trying to desperately get back on the public's radar. He has been hemorrhaging money of late and needed a fresh injection of cash. Which he got from this spectacle. When Pat Robertson says you are a kook, as he did about Ham, respectability is not what you are aiming for.

Both Nye and Ham got what they wanted out of it, in both the long and short term. All that matters is how one perceives either person's achievements and, as I have said, the public generally believes Nye was victorious.

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