We can't judge god by our standards.
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06-12-2013, 06:51 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 05:50 PM)alpha male Wrote: As Sabrina is fond of mockery, I'm fond of intentional mixed metaphors. ![]() LMAO It could be a sad statement about me that I actually get "Rocket surgery". Your mileage may vary.... ![]() When I want your opinion I'll read your entrails. |
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06-12-2013, 07:24 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 06:40 PM)Cathym112 Wrote: kind of off topic here…but do you notice how the stories and characters you describe above in the bible sound very much like this high drama Soap show? Like Days of our Divine.LOL. Indeed it is. Quote:Its also rather a coincidence that a lot of other gods - considered now to be myths - have extremely similar drama? (of jealousy, fighting, warring, sex, etc??)Ahh yes. The human condition; the compulsive desire to be loved, and also to love. The pride of mankind and the beliefs that foster our pride. The search for fulfillment when lust and contentment can never abide together. Did not the Beatles sing How can you laugh when you know I'm down? Another verse should have said, how dare you be down in the midst of my happiness. I cannot say whether the theory you speak of is true or false or where in between it falls strictly pertaining to what a person does for a living. I would submit this can only be measured in comparison to others and what they do and therefore has everything to do with pride. I do know for certain that some people are thankful and will rejoice over a single crust of bread. While others are angry and vexed over a small scratch in their new Porsche. Who are the rich and who are the poor is a matter of perspective. I think fundamentally we all seek to be happy. It makes perfect sense that one's outlook of his or her job would factor into their sense of fulfillment. It doesn't necessarily make you who you are. |
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06-12-2013, 07:38 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 05:14 PM)alpha male Wrote:(06-12-2013 04:02 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote: What's a god?http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/god?s=t If you truly do believe in god I'm sure you can do better.......... no? (and I'm not trying to set you up for failure or some shit......I'm genuinely asking you) When I want your opinion I'll read your entrails. |
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06-12-2013, 07:39 PM
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I'm conflicted about this thread. While it is filled with lots of useful information, I can't shake the feeling that it has not answered the OP's question or issue to her satisfaction.
Cathym112, how do you feel about how this thread has gone? He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy! -Brian's mum |
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06-12-2013, 07:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-12-2013 07:51 PM by childeye.)
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 06:48 PM)djkamilo Wrote:Thanks for your post. Yes it matters what we are referring to when we use the term scripture, but purely for the sake of clarity. I am referring to what we call the bible as a whole, both Old and New Testament. But I am not excluding there are other writings that may not be included in the bible that are viable. For my purposes it does not matter. To me what is morally true is self evident.(06-12-2013 06:26 PM)childeye Wrote: I do not know who Nestor is. I did not butcher anything. I am simply re-stating what scripture reports. I do not know of Marcion. But I would not be surprised he would be called a heretic by those who in their ignorance subvert the simple moral Truth for the sake of religion. This in fact is why all the apostles were killed and persecuted for doing. Preaching a spiritual Truth that is. Hence there exists a spiritual enemy to those who preach the Truth. For scripture says this enemy would hold captive the minds of men through lies. |
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06-12-2013, 07:47 PM
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(06-12-2013 07:39 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote: I'm conflicted about this thread. While it is filled with lots of useful information, I can't shake the feeling that it has not answered the OP's question or issue to her satisfaction. Lol, I just sort of jumped in into the convo. From what I know from apologists, the reason we can't judge god based on our standards is because we are supposedly fallen (and depraved if you are a calvinist) and because god by definition sits on a different vantage point in which he can technically know the ultimate consequence to his actions or lack thereof. The first reason is fallacious because it assumes 'original sin' to be true. And the second falls with the first because if there is no original sin that makes us naturally morally skewed then the atrocities comitted, commanded or ignored by god are rightfully so called evil by a reasonable person. “The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is because vampires are allergic to bullshit.” ― Richard Pryor |
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06-12-2013, 07:51 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 07:39 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote: I'm conflicted about this thread. While it is filled with lots of useful information, I can't shake the feeling that it has not answered the OP's question or issue to her satisfaction. There a few gems in here. Sometime people have provided a better explanation than I had before, but I still don't understand why gods very human actions (emotions) are above judgment from those humans. Also, I find it rather peculiar that people become really frustrated with me when i ask these questions. ![]() ![]() A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day - Bill Watterson |
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06-12-2013, 07:56 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
As pertaining to this thread. When someone says, we cannot judge God by our standards, they are simply stating that the ignorant are handicapped after some manner. To over dramatize this, it would be the same as a blind person judging paintings by artists.
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06-12-2013, 07:56 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
Djkamilo - meh…thats one reason it is fallacious. Here are more:
(06-12-2013 07:47 PM)djkamilo Wrote: From what I know from apologists, the reason we can't judge god based on our standards is because we are supposedly fallen (and depraved if you are a calvinist) and because god by definition sits on a different vantage point in which he can technically know the ultimate consequence to his actions or lack thereof. (28-11-2013 06:10 PM)evenheathen Wrote: The other thing that gets me is that if we can't understand anything about the mind of god, then what the fuck was the tree of knowledge about? We all get sentenced to hell for something that didn't really give us what he said it would? (28-11-2013 06:25 PM)Julius Wrote: Exactly! Genisis 3:21 states: A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day - Bill Watterson |
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06-12-2013, 08:03 PM
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RE: We can't judge god by our standards.
(06-12-2013 07:47 PM)djkamilo Wrote:I agree with your fallen statement according to those you identified as apologists. However, it cannot logically be fallacious simply by assuming original sin to be true. The whole topic is already speculation to begin with.(06-12-2013 07:39 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote: I'm conflicted about this thread. While it is filled with lots of useful information, I can't shake the feeling that it has not answered the OP's question or issue to her satisfaction. |
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