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26-04-2016, 07:00 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 01:33 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  I have a friend that I had not spoken to for 20 years; while I was looking up his phone number, my phone rang and he was calling me. Would an atheist say that is just coincidence?

Of course it's coincidence.

You can't wrap your head around that because - randomness.

Us humans rely on our intelligence, and intelligence consists of patterns.

We try to see patterns everywhere, it helps us understand things.

But some things are just random, they have no pattern. Casino owners understand that, the reason serious gamblers gamble is because they try to figure out patterns where there is only randomness.

The reason we have all the religions is because people needed something to fill in holes in random events to create the much needed patterns.

Enter the gods, they fill the voids and let us assume all is in order because there are patterns to everything, everything has a reason.

Your phone experience was a random event, but somehow you can't accept that, you need to fill the gap in the pattern and give it a reason.

It's how humans are wired, but with advancing knowledge so many of the gap-fillers have become unnecessary that many people are starting to recognize that people invented gods to fill the gaps in our patterns.

This has absolutely nothing to do with morals or with how one treats others. Atheists are exactly the same as religious people on the "moral" basis - some are "good", some are "bad", and most are someplace in between.

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26-04-2016, 07:11 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:00 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  Do you want the Co-Host of God-Talk, who is now a pastor of a church, to speak for you as a one-time atheist?
Dunno what a "one-time atheist" is but no. Go away and leave me alone.

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26-04-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:00 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  
(26-04-2016 04:50 PM)unfogged Wrote:  Were you lying in the first post or the latter one?


Do you want the Co-Host of God-Talk, who is now a pastor of a church, to speak for you as a one-time atheist? Do you want our listeners do speak for you? That is why I came to this forum to have a civil conversation of inquisitive questions and answers with people who are not friends, I don't know, who have no desire to seek God. I simply want to ask questions because I do not know from your perspective.
Most of our atheist listeners were at one time theists, so they are not a good source to ask questions from a pure atheist perspective.

You didn't answer the question. You posted conflicting statements.
You have also, fundamentally changed your position. First you said you were looking for people to some on the podcasts. Now you're saying something totally different.
Answer the above question, then tell us why you REALLY came here ?

I'm waiting for you to debunk Szostak's chemistry. I thought your OP implied that being an aerospace engineer qualified you as an "expert" of some sort, (or else why post that fact ?)
Surely you can discuss his basic concepts, and why they are wrong ?

I hope you know there are known psychological terms for people who see patterns where there are none.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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26-04-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 05:47 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(26-04-2016 04:33 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  Again, I'm only here to get your perspective on several different subjects.
I'm asking questions on this forum because I don't know any other atheists.
It's the same thing as joining a forum for black people, because I've never been around black people, but I would love to know about their church service. I just hope they don't get so easily offended by me just asking a simple question.

You can't possibly be serious. You don't actually know any atheists ?
Yet your programs seem to know a lot about them ?
Facepalm
Doh.

Un-fucking-believable.


I know the actions of atheists and that is one of the reasons why I joined your forum. If I go to the middle of the Smokey Mtn National Park to a place that took hours of difficult hiking and see a synagogue, a Buddhist temple, a cross, or golden calf that has been there for 90 years, I would not demand the government remove such. So I don't understand when atheists (who have stated in this forum that the only thing you can conclude about them is that they don't believe in God; live and let live) will sue the government to remove these items. None of these items will have any effect on me; but apparently, the thought of a cross is too much for some atheists.
BTW: If it is "affect", Sadcryface2
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26-04-2016, 07:17 PM
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(26-04-2016 07:12 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  BTW: If it is "affect", Sadcryface2

If it does not affect me, it has no effect on me. You got it right.

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26-04-2016, 07:21 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 04:33 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  Again, I'm only here to get your perspective on several different subjects.
I'm asking questions on this forum because I don't know any other atheists.
It's the same thing as joining a forum for black people, because I've never been around black people, but I would love to know about their church service. I just hope they don't get so easily offended by me just asking a simple question.

Bolding mine. As noted above by Unfogged, you are contradicting yourself.

So, a couple of points.

Firstly, I personally, am not offended, just confused.

Secondly, in your initial post, you stated that you had plenty of atheist friends. Then you ask some questions about basic morality. Now many theists ask similar questions and then go on to insult atheists and our supposed lack of morality. If you have atheist friends I would assume they mentioned that to you.

In any event, several of us answered your questions. Personally, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Then you respond, indicating surprise that atheists understand basic morality. And you comment that we are easily offended.

All of that does not give me confidence. But, what the hell, I'll give it another shot...

I checked out the your site and it says you two are affiliated with the Grace Gospel Church in Kentucky. The church's website says:
Quote:We are an evangelical, Christ-exalting, gospel-centered, Biblically-grounded church.
Operating on that basis then I'll ask you a few questions:

Do you consider the bible to be historically accurate?

Do you consider the bible to be a source of ethics and moral guidance?

How do you reconcile the ethical contradiction inherent in the doctrine of vicarious redemption?

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Freedom offers opportunity. Opportunity confers responsibility. Responsibility to use the freedom we enjoy wisely, honestly and humanely. ~ Noam Chomsky
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26-04-2016, 07:23 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:12 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  I know the actions of atheists and that is one of the reasons why I joined your forum. If I go to the middle of the Smokey Mtn National Park to a place that took hours of difficult hiking and see a synagogue, a Buddhist temple, a cross, or golden calf that has been there for 90 years, I would not demand the government remove such. So I don't understand when atheists (who have stated in this forum that the only thing you can conclude about them is that they don't believe in God; live and let live) will sue the government to remove these items. None of these items will have any effect on me; but apparently, the thought of a cross is too much for some atheists.
BTW: If it is "affect", Sadcryface2

First, you're assuming any atheists here have sued anyone for crosses or places of worship. Also, have you researched why people bring cases against government buildings regarding religious displays?

You're again assuming all atheists think alike. I have very little, if anything, in common with anyone here. If TTA suddenly went offline in 5 minutes my life wouldn't change one bit. The only thing I have in common with the atheists here is that I don't believe in any gods.

You're confusing naturalism and naturism. Naturism aka nudism isn't an atheist issue. Most naturists are theists.

I may be wrong, but it sounds like you want a 30-minute sound bite that's not interactive. The problem with that is that many think that opens the door for the atheist to be ridiculed or insulted with no chance of defense. I hope I'm wrong.

The question you posted about the spouse who had a stroke isn't an atheist question. Again, as many have said, each atheist is different. So is each stroke case. Does this count previous TIAs?

I'm not being overly confrontational. I'm trying to help out. But this is going to be my only post in this thread. I wish you the best.
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26-04-2016, 07:28 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:12 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  I know the actions of atheists and that is one of the reasons why I joined your forum. If I go to the middle of the Smokey Mtn National Park to a place that took hours of difficult hiking and see a synagogue, a Buddhist temple, a cross, or golden calf that has been there for 90 years, I would not demand the government remove such. So I don't understand when atheists (who have stated in this forum that the only thing you can conclude about them is that they don't believe in God; live and let live) will sue the government to remove these items. None of these items will have any effect on me; but apparently, the thought of a cross is too much for some atheists.
BTW: If it is "affect", Sadcryface2

You know the actions of some atheists - the ones who stand up and try to effect societal change - which affects you. The vast majority of atheists is doing no such thing. Most of us are in the closet.

Seeing religious symbols on public lands is wrong because of the right of all people to that land, if you put crosses there, we need to have all the other religious symbols too. But since there is a separation of church and state, we don't have to worry about Satanists erecting statues on public lands. Or do we? Tongue

For those of us who live largely in the closet, the constant bombardment with religion is very uncomfortable. We have to quietly listen to people talking about their gods every day and we cannot say anything about our own beliefs or all hell breaks lose. Teens get thrown out of their homes, families fall apart, people get fired.

So yes, I think religion belongs in church and in the home.

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26-04-2016, 07:29 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:00 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  ...
Most of our atheist listeners were at one time theists, so they are not a good source to ask questions from a pure atheist perspective.

Most of the members of TTA were at one time theists.

What is your definition of "pure atheist"?

I've never signed up to a religion but "purity" is not something of which I have ever been accused.

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26-04-2016, 07:42 PM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2016 08:08 PM by cactus.)
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(26-04-2016 07:00 PM)kyrocketman Wrote:  Most of our atheist listeners were at one time theists, so they are not a good source to ask questions from a pure atheist perspective.

What do you mean by "pure atheist"? In order to describe yourself as "a"-theist, It's a good idea to understand the particular theological assumptions and assertions that you're "a"-gainst.
What makes a former theist less qualified to talk about religion than someone who was never a theist? Theists and non-theists alike are equally capable of researching, understanding, and drawing their own conclusions about the specific claims set forth by religions.

To imply that theism somehow grants a person "exclusive knowledge" that is only attainable through the magical power of belief is just special pleading, and has no logical or evidential basis.

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