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28-04-2016, 01:13 PM
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(28-04-2016 12:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 11:28 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  A flat earth is equivalent to the claim that African Americans are less than human, that Jews are to blame for all of Germany's problems. In that they are all false.

Nope. A flat earth is not an ethical problem, simply a scientific one.
You demean the other two by equating them to a flat earth.

As I said a claim that the earth is flat, and that African Americans are less than human, are both false claims. They are equivalent in this regard.

If you don't disagree with this, than whatever else you're arguing about doesn't matter to me.

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28-04-2016, 01:15 PM
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(28-04-2016 11:07 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 11:02 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  But the very fact that we had societies where slavery was a cultural norm belies your argument against cultural norms. People where raised in a culture that enabled, supported, and relied upon slavery as a matter of fact; and that culture managed to be accepted and perpetuate itself. Slavery itself was seen as morally acceptable, because it had become a cultural norm.

People even went so far as to use their religion to support their acceptance of slavery. Gasp

Man, you are really bad at this shit, you know that?


And we had societies that believed the earth was flat. They were wrong. Just like those who believed African American are less than human were wrong. They aren't just wrong now, they were wrong then as well.


We can measure the shape of the earth.

How does one measure morality?

I mean, the Bible was evidently wrong on both counts. So how do you go about determining what is the correct moral action? If the Bible is bollocks and you're somehow immune to cultural norms, how do you judge things? And how are you justified in doing so?

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28-04-2016, 01:16 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:13 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 12:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Nope. A flat earth is not an ethical problem, simply a scientific one.
You demean the other two by equating them to a flat earth.

As I said a claim that the earth is flat, and that African Americans are less than human, are both false claims. They are equivalent in this regard.

If you don't disagree with this, than whatever else you're arguing about doesn't matter to me.

You don't even fucking understand what he is saying.

These claims (Earth is flat or any race is less human than another race) are not equivalent in nature to moral or ethical claims.

You are literally comparing a claim that the pizza is too spicy for someone is equivalent with it being too hot (°C) for someone. One of these, is not like the other.

You need to learn the difference between objective and subjective. This has been a persistent problem of yours for quite some time and is a shining example of when your ignorance has been pointed out with you not only refusing to acknowledge, but also you refusing to correct it.

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28-04-2016, 01:19 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:15 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 11:07 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  And we had societies that believed the earth was flat. They were wrong. Just like those who believed African American are less than human were wrong. They aren't just wrong now, they were wrong then as well.


We can measure the shape of the earth.

How does one measure morality?

Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites?

That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?

That these are objectively true statements?

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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28-04-2016, 01:23 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:19 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:15 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  We can measure the shape of the earth.

How does one measure morality?

Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites?

That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?

That these are objectively true statements?

"Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites? "

Yes, it's called GENETICS

"That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?"

Completely different type of question. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE. To Hitler and the Nazis, they were the problem. To other people and the Jews, they were not.

"That these are objectively true statements?"

You have no clue what "objective" means.

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28-04-2016, 01:27 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:19 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:15 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  We can measure the shape of the earth.

How does one measure morality?

Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites?

That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?

That these are objectively true statements?


No. Don't cut out half of what I said and expect me to not notice. Answer all of the question, don't dodge them by excluding them.

Once again...


How does one measure morality?

I mean, the Bible was evidently wrong on both counts. So how do you go about determining what is the correct moral action? If the Bible is bollocks and you're somehow immune to cultural norms, how do you judge things? And how are you justified in doing so?


How would you prove that equality is objectively moral? How would you justify that?

If you're going to posit an 'objective morality', you need to justify that. Just claiming thing X or statement Y to be 'objectively moral' by fiat doesn't cut it. If you want to claim objective morality, you need to show your work and justification.

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28-04-2016, 01:29 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:19 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:15 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  We can measure the shape of the earth.

How does one measure morality?

Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites?

That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?

That these are objectively true statements?

Well the first is dealing with sketchy defined labels as so often we like to use. If we define human as Homo Sapien we actually can tell that in fact African "Americans" aren't just no less human than whites but are MORE Human than whites because whites have a mix of neanderthal in them than sub-saharan africans. The whole african "american" addition to it is an odd element. Though I recall historically the recent genetic origins of many slaves were of that category still out of the western african region.

So yes, we can tell that and go further than that.

The socio/political economics of jewish culture and influence in the status of Europe in the early mid 20th century is studyable as well. Though the notion of "cause" is almost impossible to define because you could say Jews caused some issues in Europe economics because of economic loaning & business dealings, though the CAUSE of that Cause is christians subjecting them to different laws. So the "cause" of that isn't really objectively definable because it's not so simple as a (here is a defined label, does it fit the defined characteristics of that label) judgement. There is basically a perpetual "cause" of the problems of pre WW2 Europe going back to the dawn of migrating civilizations.

One can measure morality via values as has been shown before if you place them into a not good/bad/evil view but a x, y, & z elements of action view. You can define the actions in regards to other beings of human beings on these scales.

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28-04-2016, 01:30 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:23 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You have no clue what "objective" means.

Obviously not.

Sadly the Jews were used as scapegoats. Scripture supporting this action.

The Treaty of Versailles, and the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand led to WWII. The assassination possibly being the most pivotal event of the 20th century.

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I will call him a liar and a dog here and now.
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28-04-2016, 01:32 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:23 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:19 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites?

That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?

That these are objectively true statements?

"Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites? "

Yes, it's called GENETICS

"That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?"

Completely different type of question. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE. To Hitler and the Nazis, they were the problem. To other people and the Jews, they were not.

"That these are objectively true statements?"

You have no clue what "objective" means.

Hitler and the Nazis used the Jews as a scapegoat, they blamed them for the problems of Germany, in which the Jews were not the cause off.

They were falsely blamed for this, and were innocent of things they stood accused of.

If you believed otherwise, then you're in the league of those who believe the earth is flat, perhaps worse, because you'd have believed a lie, used to murder innocent people.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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28-04-2016, 01:36 PM
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(28-04-2016 01:32 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:23 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  "Can we tell that African American are not less than human, that they're no less human than whites? "

Yes, it's called GENETICS

"That Jews were not the cause of the problems they were blamed for during World War 2?"

Completely different type of question. THIS IS SUBJECTIVE. To Hitler and the Nazis, they were the problem. To other people and the Jews, they were not.

"That these are objectively true statements?"

You have no clue what "objective" means.

Hitler and the Nazis used the Jews as a scapegoat, they blamed them for the problems of Germany, in which the Jews were not the cause off.

They were falsely blamed for this, and were innocent of things they stood accused of.

If you believed otherwise, then you're in the league of those who believe the earth is flat, perhaps worse, because you'd have believed a lie, used to murder innocent people.

You believe that every Nazi believed that the Jews were innocent scapegoats? Or do you believe that they believed that the Jews were the problem?

(You have no clue how stupid what you have said, is. You also have terrible reading comprehension if you think anything I said implies that I believe the Jews to have been the problem creators they were made out to be by Hitler and the Nazis. Read what is written, not what you want to see, dumbass)

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