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28-04-2016, 03:32 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(28-04-2016 02:12 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 01:36 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  You believe that every Nazi believed that the Jews were innocent scapegoats? Or do you believe that they believed that the Jews were the problem?

(You have no clue how stupid what you have said, is. You also have terrible reading comprehension if you think anything I said implies that I believe the Jews to have been the problem creators they were made out to be by Hitler and the Nazis. Read what is written, not what you want to see, dumbass)

Says the guy who clearly doesn't know what it means to scapegoat.


And no, you think the claim the Jews were innocent is subjective, and not a fact. Either that or you're just a shitty fucking communicator, knowing you that's quite possible.

Holy fuck you're dumb and assumptive. Which is really problematic when your reading comprehension is as bad as it is.

Re-read what I've written and show me where:
1) I misunderstand what a scapegoat is
2) imply that I believe the Jews were actually the cause of Germany's troubles and/or the reason for WWII


And you didn't answer my question either (typical).

Did Nazis actually believe the Jews were the source of their problems or did they collectively believe they were just scapegoats they we're all using knowing full well that the Jews weren't the problem?

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28-04-2016, 03:34 PM
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Here's a fun test for you Tomasia, to see how well your objective morality works.


Is knowingly ending another human life immoral?

In self defense, To save the life of my family? Perhaps not. For the pure fun of it, sure.

And no context doesn't make morality subjective, it makes it relative. And relativism doesn't negate objective morality, it negates moral absolutism.

Just like the answer to a mathematical equation doesn't become subjective, because the answer is dependent on which radix is being used.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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28-04-2016, 03:43 PM
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(28-04-2016 03:32 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Did Nazis actually believe the Jews were the source of their problems

Yes.

Quote:or did they collectively believe they were just scapegoats they we're all using knowing full well that the Jews weren't the problem?

Only a person who doesn't understand what it means to scapegoat would ask such a stupid question.

And no people who scapegoat don't see themselves as scapegoating, they see their victims as entirely to blame for what they place on them. Even though the victim is innocent, but they don't see that, that's hidden from them.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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28-04-2016, 03:52 PM
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(28-04-2016 03:43 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 03:32 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Did Nazis actually believe the Jews were the source of their problems

Yes.

Quote:or did they collectively believe they were just scapegoats they we're all using knowing full well that the Jews weren't the problem?

Only a person who doesn't understand what it means to scapegoat would ask such a stupid question.

And no people who scapegoat don't see themselves as scapegoating, they see their victims as entirely to blame for what they place on them. Even though the victim is innocent, but they don't see that, that's hidden from them.

I asked the question because you clearly don't understand the difference between someone knowingly creating and using a scapegoat, and other people not believing it's a scapegoat and believing that (in this case) the Jews were objectively the cause of their problems.

A GREAT example of this being a SUBJECTIVE case where one groups sees the answer as absolutely yes, and another as absolutely no.

You. Are. Fucking. Stupid.

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28-04-2016, 03:54 PM
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Only a person who is so stupid, would have to have this explained to them in explicit detail by multiple people.

Only an insanely arrogant individual would presume that it is more likely that someone doesn't understand a common phrase, over them not understanding what is being said in reply to them because their reading comprehension fucking sucks.

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28-04-2016, 04:26 PM
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(28-04-2016 03:52 PM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 03:43 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Yes.


Only a person who doesn't understand what it means to scapegoat would ask such a stupid question.

And no people who scapegoat don't see themselves as scapegoating, they see their victims as entirely to blame for what they place on them. Even though the victim is innocent, but they don't see that, that's hidden from them.

I asked the question because you clearly don't understand the difference between someone knowingly creating and using a scapegoat, and other people not believing it's a scapegoat and believing that (in this case) the Jews were objectively the cause of their problems.

A GREAT example of this being a SUBJECTIVE case where one groups sees the answer as absolutely yes, and another as absolutely no.

You. Are. Fucking. Stupid.


Omigosh.

You can't knowingly scapegoat, that would be a contradiction. You unknowingly do so.
Or in other words it's a delusion, and perhaps the most universal of all delusions, second only to religion.

Tell me if this makes sense to you, "delusional people believe the holocaust was a hoax, non-delusional folks know that it was not. That's a great example of this being subjective."

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28-04-2016, 04:41 PM
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(28-04-2016 03:23 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
Quote:We want to know what your mechanism is, and you've done nothing but dodge the point. Claiming objective morality, then refusing to state how it works or why, is very dishonest on your part.

Oh like how one would explain how a car works, how the gears turn and shit? Your question to me are the equivalent of asking how many angels can dance on a needlehead. Better directed at your next humanist meeting, to supporters of Sam Harris.

The aboves shows how you avoid. You dodge a question by answering with another question. This is what politicians do.

This is the dishonesty to which we refer.

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28-04-2016, 04:44 PM
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(28-04-2016 04:26 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Or in other words it's a delusion, and perhaps the most universal of all delusions, second only to religion.

Did you really just admit that religion was a delusion?

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28-04-2016, 04:51 PM
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(28-04-2016 04:26 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  You can't knowingly scapegoat, that would be a contradiction. You unknowingly do so.


As a matter of fact you can.

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Quote:A scapegoat is a person or animal which takes on the sins of others, or is unfairly blamed for problems. The concept comes originally from Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert with the sins of the community. Other ancient societies had similar practices. In psychology and sociology, the practice of selecting someone as a scapegoat has led to the concept of scapegoating.

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Quote:scapegoat
noun
1.
a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.
2.
Chiefly Biblical. a goat let loose in the wilderness on Yom Kippur after the high priest symbolically laid the sins of the people on its head. Lev. 16:8,10,26.
verb (used with object)
3.
to make a scapegoat of:
Strike leaders tried to scapegoat foreign competitors.

In the traditional and modern sense, the scapegoat can be a conscious choice.

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28-04-2016, 04:51 PM (This post was last modified: 28-04-2016 04:57 PM by Banjo.)
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(28-04-2016 04:44 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(28-04-2016 04:26 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Or in other words it's a delusion, and perhaps the most universal of all delusions, second only to religion.

Did you really just admit that religion was a delusion?

It appears he did.

Tomasia, come to us We offer you nothing. No promises, no gift cards for heaven, no virgins (Although I do know a girl....) Wink

Or have you been a troll all along and never a believer?

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