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02-05-2016, 10:32 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, if something isn’t objectively true, it would be objectively false, not subjective. For the same reason that though the answer for 1+1=4, is false, doesn’t mean the answer of 4 is subjective. If it were subjective that answer would be neither true or false.

Completely false.
You are committing this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
If something is not objectively true, then you are making a CATEGORY error, by saying it's objectively false. It's doesn't even fall in the category to be judged as EITHER.

You REALLY need to ask for your tuition back from Bible College.

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02-05-2016, 10:36 AM
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(02-05-2016 10:32 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, if something isn’t objectively true, it would be objectively false, not subjective. For the same reason that though the answer for 1+1=4, is false, doesn’t mean the answer of 4 is subjective. If it were subjective that answer would be neither true or false.

Completely false.
You are committing this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
If something is not objectively true, then you are making a CATEGORY error, by saying it's objectively false. It's doesn't even fall in the category to be judged as EITHER.

You REALLY need to ask for your tuition back from Bible College.

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02-05-2016, 10:41 AM
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(02-05-2016 07:36 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  My argument is the morality is not subjective, regardless if objective morality is false.

It's ALWAYS relative to the circumstance at hand, subjectively judged by the person acting. It's why there are judges, courts, and ethics committees, and it's also why all the major religious Moral Theology systems teach the "intention" in integral to a moral choice, and that ONLY (their) God can be the final judge.

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02-05-2016, 10:43 AM
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(02-05-2016 10:41 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 07:36 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  My argument is the morality is not subjective, regardless if objective morality is false.

It's ALWAYS relative to the circumstance at hand, subjectively judged by the person acting. It's why there are judges, courts, and ethics committees, and it's also why all the major religious Moral Theology systems teach the "intention" in integral to a moral choice, and that ONLY (their) God can be the final judge.

Naaailed it! Thumbsup

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02-05-2016, 10:56 AM
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I needed a break from a tedious presentation I’m preparing and came to this thread only to see that Tomasia continues to argue for objective morality as though it hadn’t yet been made clear that humans, only one chromosome away from apes I might remind you, decide what is and isn’t “moral” from person to person, time to time, situation to situation. If that isn’t fucking subjective then nothing is.

You can’t treat morality like you do a physical object. The physical object exists whether you like it, accept it or know about it. It exists outside our apelike brains. Morality, like other touchy-feely subjects such as love, passion, hate are all completely reliant on the individual that holds it. While more than one individual may hold a similar concept of what morality is, it is still a concept and subject to change and interpretation...ergo sub-fucking-jective.

Now back to work.

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02-05-2016, 10:58 AM
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(02-05-2016 10:32 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 09:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, if something isn’t objectively true, it would be objectively false, not subjective. For the same reason that though the answer for 1+1=4, is false, doesn’t mean the answer of 4 is subjective. If it were subjective that answer would be neither true or false.

Completely false.
You are committing this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
If something is not objectively true, then you are making a CATEGORY error, by saying it's objectively false. It's doesn't even fall in the category to be judged as EITHER.

You REALLY need to ask for your tuition back from Bible College.


No, those who claim that morality is subjective are the ones making a categorical error.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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02-05-2016, 11:04 AM
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(02-05-2016 10:58 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 10:32 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Completely false.
You are committing this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
If something is not objectively true, then you are making a CATEGORY error, by saying it's objectively false. It's doesn't even fall in the category to be judged as EITHER.

You REALLY need to ask for your tuition back from Bible College.


No, those who claim that morality is subjective are the ones making a categorical error.

Assertion no evidence. Not because you say so Tommy-boy.
That crap doesn't cut it, and YOU know it.
You have to tell us WHY and how.
Potential actions "run past" human brains, that need to evaluate their intrinsic rightness or wrongness, are always subjective.
The popularity of the action in any given society is irrelevant.
It's actually the crux of Moral Theology. What ? You didn't get that far in Bible College ?

Too bad.
You lose.
Better luck next time.

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02-05-2016, 11:12 AM
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(02-05-2016 11:04 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 10:58 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  No, those who claim that morality is subjective are the ones making a categorical error.

Assertion no evidence.

The irony must have been lost on you.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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02-05-2016, 11:16 AM
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(02-05-2016 10:41 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  It's ALWAYS relative to the circumstance at hand, subjectively judged by the person acting. It's why there are judges, courts, and ethics committees, and it's also why all the major religious Moral Theology systems teach the "intention" in integral to a moral choice, and that ONLY (their) God can be the final judge.


First relative =/= Subjective

Secondly, we can also say that truth is subjectively judged by the person. Each person subjectively decides for himself whether a claim is true or not. Yet not many of us believe truth is subjective.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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02-05-2016, 11:16 AM
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Why do i have this strange feeling that these guys talking to Tomasia is looking like debating Sye Ten Bruggencate?

Someone arrogantly wants to dismiss the rest of the world as being incredibly stupid and unaware of the obvious, unchanging, unchallengable truth, while in reality (the reality we all actually live in) he absolutely has no clue what the hell hes talking about, making a complete fool out of himself, unknowingly, by constantly speewing out nothing but bare assertions, and when asked for supporting facts he has none but nevertheless claims to win the debate, making us all wonder how such persons manage to go through their everyday lives with an epistemology like this.

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