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02-05-2016, 08:26 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 08:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 07:01 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Can a rock determine what a rectangle is? What the area of a rectangle is? Who the winners of the vote are?

Does a slice of pizza determine its own area, measure its sides? Or is it minds that do all the determining here?

If minds ceased to exist would there be any determining going on? Regardless of whichever meaning of the word you prefer.

I don't think you actually read my response with any actual understanding. Use a dictionary.

It's hopeless if he doesn't start looking words up. Confused

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02-05-2016, 08:26 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 07:01 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Does a slice of pizza determine its own area, measure its sides? Or is it minds that do all the determining here?

Are you questioning the power of pizza!!!????
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02-05-2016, 09:15 PM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 08:26 PM)CosmicRaven Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 07:01 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Does a slice of pizza determine its own area, measure its sides? Or is it minds that do all the determining here?

Are you questioning the power of pizza!!!????

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03-05-2016, 05:40 AM
We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 08:11 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 07:01 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  Can a rock determine what a rectangle is? What the area of a rectangle is? Who the winners of the vote are?

Does a slice of pizza determine its own area, measure its sides? Or is it minds that do all the determining here?

If minds ceased to exist would there be any determining going on? Regardless of whichever meaning of the word you prefer.

I don't think you actually read my response with any actual understanding. Use a dictionary.


I asked according to whichever meaning of the word determine that you prefer.

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03-05-2016, 05:48 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(02-05-2016 07:01 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 06:38 PM)Chas Wrote:  Wrong usage of "determines". You seem to lack the ability to understand words with multiple usages or shades of meaning, e.g. the lengths of the two sides of a rectangle determine its area, the percentage of the vote determines the winner.

Can a rock determine what a rectangle is? What the area of a rectangle is? Who the winners of the vote are?

Does a slice of pizza determine its own area, measure its sides? Or is it minds that do all the determining here?

If minds ceased to exist would there be any determining going on? Regardless of whichever meaning of the word you prefer.

Non sentient things can determine somethings. For instance, the temperature determines what state of matter water is at, that doesn't make the temperature sentient.

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03-05-2016, 05:50 AM
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(02-05-2016 08:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 07:06 PM)Tomasia Wrote:  If a mind independent reality exists we would not know it. The only reality you know is that mental abstraction in your head.

Judging that we're all trapped in our minds, I guess that would mean reality is subjective?

But we aren't trapped in our minds. We perceive reality, we get concurrence and confirmation from others' observations.

Reality is, therefore, objective.


We are trapped in our minds. The minds take in a variety on sensory inputs, to formulate an abstract picture of a supposed external reality.

We have to believe that are mental depictions, are accurate representation of that supposed external reality. That our minds have the capacity to decipher it and contemplate it fully. That reality outside breaks down to a series of propositions, and measurements describable mentally.

No reality exists outside of your mental representations, at least not for you. If one does exist outside of that mental depiction in your head, you wouldn't know it.

For some it seems the fact that we are all trapped in our heads, means than these mental depiction are subjective.

"Tell me, muse, of the storyteller who has been thrust to the edge of the world, both an infant and an ancient, and through him reveal everyman." ---Homer the aged poet.

"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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03-05-2016, 06:30 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(03-05-2016 05:48 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Non sentient things can determine somethings. For instance, the temperature determines what state of matter water is at, that doesn't make the temperature sentient.

A view based entirely on sentient individuals "determining" that the state of water is caused by the temperature. We determined this.

What if we were wrong, that the state of water is caused by some set of currently unknown factors, and not the temperature, we might continue to say that it's determined by the temperature, but be wrong.

This determination is entirely built on a confidence in our mental faculties, in determining cause and effect.

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"In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."
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03-05-2016, 06:59 AM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2016 07:02 AM by Atothetheist.)
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(03-05-2016 06:30 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 05:48 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Non sentient things can determine somethings. For instance, the temperature determines what state of matter water is at, that doesn't make the temperature sentient.

A view based entirely on sentient individuals "determining" that the state of water is caused by the temperature. We determined this.

What if we were wrong, that the state of water is caused by some set of currently unknown factors, and not the temperature, we might continue to say that it's determined by the temperature, but be wrong.

This determination is entirely built on a confidence in our mental faculties, in determining cause and effect.

Okay... Then those factors would determine. Are you saying that everything is controlled by something sentient? Or are you saying we can't determine cause and effect?

I'm confused as to why this is something you are even arguing for.

All this seems is you quibbling over semantics.

Also: Gravity determines how much weight we have.

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03-05-2016, 07:06 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(03-05-2016 05:50 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-05-2016 08:10 PM)Chas Wrote:  But we aren't trapped in our minds. We perceive reality, we get concurrence and confirmation from others' observations.

Reality is, therefore, objective.


We are trapped in our minds. The minds take in a variety on sensory inputs, to formulate an abstract picture of a supposed external reality.

We have to believe that are mental depictions, are accurate representation of that supposed external reality. That our minds have the capacity to decipher it and contemplate it fully. That reality outside breaks down to a series of propositions, and measurements describable mentally.

No reality exists outside of your mental representations, at least not for you. If one does exist outside of that mental depiction in your head, you wouldn't know it.

For some it seems the fact that we are all trapped in our heads, means than these mental depiction are subjective.

(03-05-2016 06:30 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 05:48 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Non sentient things can determine somethings. For instance, the temperature determines what state of matter water is at, that doesn't make the temperature sentient.

A view based entirely on sentient individuals "determining" that the state of water is caused by the temperature. We determined this.

What if we were wrong, that the state of water is caused by some set of currently unknown factors, and not the temperature, we might continue to say that it's determined by the temperature, but be wrong.

This determination is entirely built on a confidence in our mental faculties, in determining cause and effect.

(03-05-2016 06:59 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 06:30 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  A view based entirely on sentient individuals "determining" that the state of water is caused by the temperature. We determined this.

What if we were wrong, that the state of water is caused by some set of currently unknown factors, and not the temperature, we might continue to say that it's determined by the temperature, but be wrong.

This determination is entirely built on a confidence in our mental faculties, in determining cause and effect.

Okay... Then those factors would determine. Are you saying that everything is controlled by something sentient? Or are you saying we can't determine cause and effect?

I'm confused as to why this is something you are even arguing for.

All this seems is you quibbling over semantics.

Also: Gravity determines how much weight we have.

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03-05-2016, 09:52 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(03-05-2016 06:30 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(03-05-2016 05:48 AM)Atothetheist Wrote:  Non sentient things can determine somethings. For instance, the temperature determines what state of matter water is at, that doesn't make the temperature sentient.

A view based entirely on sentient individuals "determining" that the state of water is caused by the temperature. We determined this.

What if we were wrong, that the state of water is caused by some set of currently unknown factors, and not the temperature, we might continue to say that it's determined by the temperature, but be wrong.

This determination is entirely built on a confidence in our mental faculties, in determining cause and effect.

Just like Sye Ten Brugencate, in order to get anywhere in this "debate", he is going to (or at least try to) tear down the entire observable reality and trying to present it as an illusion or our "subjective" view of things, in order to shove in his god -or objecive morals- in the hope we forget that for his absurd view there is even less of a foundation, since at least our view of the world is internally consistent and seems to provide predicatable results, something his fantasy is completey lacking, as we all can see by his inability (covered by the assertion/lie of unwillingness) to even provide a basic definition of wtf he is talking about.

Game over, insert new player.

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