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30-11-2016, 06:55 AM
RE: We want to hear from you at God-Talk.com
(30-11-2016 06:04 AM)Banjo Wrote:  When people start talking about gaps and sheep, I quietly slip away.....

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30-11-2016, 07:22 AM
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(28-11-2016 06:00 AM)DLJ Wrote:  d) "Yeah"
Point taken. I'm keen to keep the conversation congenial and this requires demonstrating, at the least, comprehension ("I understand your point" etc.) of the believers' worldview. Note that both Doug and Andy are doing the same and even laughing at my bad jokes (they are at least acknowledging if not always comprehending).
I agree with your assessment, however, so I'll have to find a better way of showing comprehension without giving the impression of agreeing.

“How interesting".

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30-11-2016, 07:32 AM
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(30-11-2016 07:22 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(28-11-2016 06:00 AM)DLJ Wrote:  d) "Yeah"
Point taken. I'm keen to keep the conversation congenial and this requires demonstrating, at the least, comprehension ("I understand your point" etc.) of the believers' worldview. Note that both Doug and Andy are doing the same and even laughing at my bad jokes (they are at least acknowledging if not always comprehending).
I agree with your assessment, however, so I'll have to find a better way of showing comprehension without giving the impression of agreeing.

“How interesting".

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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12-03-2017, 02:14 AM
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(22-04-2016 02:14 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(22-04-2016 02:04 PM)cactus Wrote:  Come on, earmuffs, you know you want to Thumbsup

OP said no bad language. MuffinStuffer can't put 2 sentences together without saying "cunt".

For the most part neither can I lol. I question what defines a word as "Bad" I mean do we really want to avoid the word fuck because the churches want to perpetuate ancient class warfare prejudices?

That said I can talk in a "non" offensive way (it offends me to do so but sometimes other factors are more important).

DLJ Wrote:And, yes, the principle of freedom of expression works both ways... if someone starts shit, better shit is the best counter-argument.
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12-03-2017, 02:22 AM
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I'd like to know why Theists always want to point out that they have someone who "was" an Athiest. As if putting this up there lends some air of credibility to us non believers.

1. Whenever I hear a christian say they were an "Atheist" when I press them it wasn't really that they were an Atheist so much as someone who hand't really thought about it yet, or were Christians but just really "bad" ones. Now sure I've not talked to every person alive, but the fact that they have to bring that up as if It would some how make me more inclined to listen to their woo is immediately suspect to me.

2. I really don't care if someone was an Atheist or not, it doesn't lend credibility. I do not submit to arguments from authority, nor do I accept other's "personal" testimony as reliable tools for deciding for me.

Not trying to be hostile here, but your credentials and background don't really matter much. Science isn't supposed to accept arguments from Authority either, so saying you're a Ph D simply isn't relevant. I simply wonder why its touted as something that needs to ALWAYS be said when talking to Atheists. I don't understand, so if you have an answer I'd love to hear it.

DLJ Wrote:And, yes, the principle of freedom of expression works both ways... if someone starts shit, better shit is the best counter-argument.
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12-03-2017, 06:00 AM
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The idea is to establish some kind of "I know how you guys think". It's not totally illegitimate IMO. I mean, often when theists say some daft thing here someone will mention "Back when I was a Christian..." and so forth. Having that experience *does* mean that we can understand religious concepts etc. Unfortunately the reverse is seldom true. Christians in general, in my experience, no matter how sincere seem to not be able to process atheist thought. Of all the Christians I've ever met who have claimed to have once been atheists, I can think of one with whom one can have a rational discussion. He probably actually was an atheist, I'm assuming he then got whacked over the head with a blunt instrument. All the others seem to claim it as a prelude to "and then I realised Jesus had died for my sins and I was being a terrible person by not accepting Him into my heart".

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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12-03-2017, 09:54 AM
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(12-03-2017 02:22 AM)JesseB Wrote:  I'd like to know why Theists always want to point out that they have someone who "was" an Athiest. As if putting this up there lends some air of credibility to us non believers.

I was going to call you out on this statement because you're generalizing theists here, but then I remembered that I am a theist who was raised agnostic and secular. Blush

(12-03-2017 02:22 AM)JesseB Wrote:  1. Whenever I hear a christian say they were an "Atheist" when I press them it wasn't really that they were an Atheist so much as someone who hand't really thought about it yet, or were Christians but just really "bad" ones. Now sure I've not talked to every person alive, but the fact that they have to bring that up as if It would some how make me more inclined to listen to their woo is immediately suspect to me.

2. I really don't care if someone was an Atheist or not, it doesn't lend credibility. I do not submit to arguments from authority, nor do I accept other's "personal" testimony as reliable tools for deciding for me.

Not trying to be hostile here, but your credentials and background don't really matter much. Science isn't supposed to accept arguments from Authority either, so saying you're a Ph D simply isn't relevant. I simply wonder why its touted as something that needs to ALWAYS be said when talking to Atheists. I don't understand, so if you have an answer I'd love to hear it.

The reason so many use all these tactics is because they have nothing else to use. They want something in their arsenal and a weapon --even a weak one-- is better than no weapon at all. They might not be able to convince the smart people, but maybe they'll be able to scoop up some weak standers-by in the process.

Everyone they get translates to more money in the church coffers glory for Jesus.
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12-03-2017, 10:05 AM
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(12-03-2017 06:00 AM)morondog Wrote:  The idea is to establish some kind of "I know how you guys think". It's not totally illegitimate IMO. I mean, often when theists say some daft thing here someone will mention "Back when I was a Christian..." and so forth. Having that experience *does* mean that we can understand religious concepts etc. Unfortunately the reverse is seldom true. Christians in general, in my experience, no matter how sincere seem to not be able to process atheist thought. Of all the Christians I've ever met who have claimed to have once been atheists, I can think of one with whom one can have a rational discussion. He probably actually was an atheist, I'm assuming he then got whacked over the head with a blunt instrument. All the others seem to claim it as a prelude to "and then I realised Jesus had died for my sins and I was being a terrible person by not accepting Him into my heart".

We actually have a very similar theme going on in my own community. A lot of Jews were raised secular with very little cultural connection and no religious training. Jews for Jesus targets these people for conversion and imprints upon them their first religious experience, which is of course christian. They convince these Jews that because their grandparents kept kosher on Passover, they're basically from Orthodox homes and they have the "go-ahead" to advertise themselves as having been raised orthodox. Not knowing any better, these newly minted Hebrew Christians go forth to proselytize to other secular, disconnected Jews and to the proselyte, they appear to be authentic and thus trustworthy.

The difference here is that the Christians coming to this site are not approaching the religiously disinterested atheists who may only be atheist because of the circumstances of their rearing. The bulk of the people here are quite well read on Christian theology and are capable of biting back.
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12-03-2017, 10:40 AM
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At work.

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I just wibble about cutely. Big Grin
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12-03-2017, 10:44 AM
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