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21-02-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Weird Time For Me
This is a weird political time for me. I tend to have slightly radical ideas politically, but most people I meet don't have the time nor the give a shit to here about them. However everyone want me to here about these supposed political attrocities. Both sides are talking about deep budget cuts, and everyone has their pets. I hear people screaming at me about cutting planned parenthood, or public television, or name it I don't care, and each one is the worst thing EVER! However honestly in 98% of the cases I say cut it I don't care. Republican cut, democratic cut yep sure do it. Yet I have fain interest and say ooo yeah how horrible. Guess what everything NEEDS its federal funding I get it, but you don't want to pay taxes, and we're broke so deal with it!

I'm 100% anti-union too. Try arguing that one on FB, sheesh. I was just involved in a discussion about how kids are smarter in States with collective bargaining. Yeah couldn't be any other cause not one, strong union=smart kids one to one correlation. Of course those States are going to be bankrupt here in a year or two soooo lets see that goes.

Everyone is passionette about the things that make there life easier, happier, whatever. Big Picture anyone? Buhler, buhler... anyone anyone...?

I'm quite low on give a shit right now.
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21-02-2011, 09:54 AM
 
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Wow, ain't this a popular thread?! Tongue It's easy to think you can change the world by giving a shit. Then, reality set's in when one soon realizes that not only is the political personal, but it only get's personal for the individual when it hit's home. Otherwise, those of us who don't really give a shit, often because giving before rendered hardly anything but pissed offedness <yes, it's a word now. Wink and mass frustration, there's too much shit to worry about changing and too little of those who stay the course and see it as able to be changed.

The system in the U.S. was created to be as it is now, and it's enabled by the top 1% who are the wealthiest players who can buy the shit that's needed to keep things running their way.

Change what's present before your own two feet. Keep aprised of what's going to effect you locally and see if you care to chime in. Otherwise, realize as we so often do, that it's not really going to change much unless you suddenly find yourself amidst that top %1!

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21-02-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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This is not a direct response to GK, just a minor clarification. My give a shit is running out in regards to people's personal crusades, not for the general well being of the nation.
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21-02-2011, 10:50 AM
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Well , Dregs , I give a shit (not meant to sound as it does) - what are your radical political ideas ?
Please do share.

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21-02-2011, 11:29 AM
 
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(21-02-2011 10:50 AM)gaglamesh731 Wrote:  Well , Dregs , I give a shit (not meant to sound as it does) - what are your radical political ideas ?
Please do share.

There are lots:

For example I don't believe there is an actual way to fix health care. It's not broken it's a flawed system health "insurance" really doesn't work. Socialized. not socialized doesn't matter the system as it exist won't work. Breaking it up would be EXTREMELY painful, but it need to be done. Now do I have detailed plan? No, but if your not even allowed to talk about it how can you come up with a plan?

We need a fair tax system. There a few different ways to go about it, and none of them are the way it's currently done.

The government funds waaaaay too much shit! If I had a list in front of me I'd be ruthless. A personal example is that I use the public library system extensively, I love it! A little over a year ago the State budget was getting done and cuts needed to be made. The Library system funding was slashed pretty bad, I'd get calls, emails, pleas whatever tell your government the Libraries are important. Well they are, but cuts needed to happen, and when I looked at it "Big Picture" the Libraries made a ton of sense. Sorry. They cut back hours, and whatnot and it affected me personally, but it made sense. Guess what we passed a tax levy and the libraries are back at full sail. Funded by the PEOPLE that thought Libraries were important not the State!

The War! not going there!

Lots more no time though.
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22-02-2011, 03:30 AM (This post was last modified: 22-02-2011 04:01 AM by Lilith Pride.)
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We'll listen to you Dregs, but yeah the only two ways to get something actually done are revolution and money. Neither is all that likely, but why not diagram out your plan in case you decide to lead a gorilla force to put your ideas into action? =p Everyone knows that our current system of government is horrible. This is something that has happened through all of history. Most people tend to feel they know their place, and only speak out about things they feel are within their command.

Why is there not a new party in the lead? people think that the two parties are more important than themselves. They feel that their opinion will never truly be heard so they make sure to choose between Arsenic and Mercury, I've never been someone to take any sorts of political sides, my leaning on who of the candidates for our government makes the most sense is the Libertarians. They tend to actually state how stupid a lot of the government plans that are funded are.

When the country is owned by a small margin you have to realize that you need more force than an opinion and a vote. I'm not really motivated to lead a radical crusade against the government that will most likely end as a small charade, because they have big guns and the media will inform everyone we were crazy. But, I probably would join in if someone got it planned enough that it had even a 1% margin of success. Me personally what I would be capable of doing within 5 years would have about a .0000005% chance of success. So I'm betting the odds.

The general people want to talk about their view because they feel their views will have a chance, and they don't want to discuss others views because that just makes them admit that no one shares their views. But we're an intelligent and mentally aware forum =p We can discuss the ideas that could potentially lead to something better. Just remember most of the best ideas for fixing this country have been made many times over and never followed, because those ideas help the rest of the country. And the 1% will always have the bigger guns.

As far as health care I believe having a socialist network of general physicians and private specialists would be a very easy way to handle the average issues (a full social healthcare program being best, but not something people want to fund). Because the issue isn't that poor people need heart transplants, it's that they need basic care. Our healthcare system would cost a lot less, if we didn't force people to get too sick to ignore an issue before they see a doctor. Those who have money always worry about the government not letting them go first, but I assure them there will always be private hospitals. Look at the United States Post Office, it's run by the government, and it does an adequate job. We still have private competitors. The waiting line is for government health care not for all of it. Any time I hear people whine about how there's a waiting list for Canadian healthcare I laugh. I've had a cavity for 11 years, no waiting list is that bad. Money can always get you premium care so no worries rich bastards, unless your current money making scheme is ripping off people who are sick, and can't choose not to pay your horrendous fees. If that's the case, fuck you, you deserve it.

The flat tax plan which has been mentioned a few times is a good enough plan to simply remove all the exceptions and say you made this much you pay this much. Yes it removes a lot of jobs, but these jobs all exist so that we can kiss rich people's asses. The convoluted tax system we currently have gives room for tax specialists to be hired by people who have the money to wade through forms and crap so that rich people pay them instead of the government. And our actual government tax fund always suffers because the only ones who pay taxes are the people too poor to pay a private citizen to keep them from paying taxes, and not so poor that they just plain can't. The tax system as it is now bleeds the lower middle class dry, and does not help get anything done because no matter how the tax rates shift they are never going to be as good in actuality as they are on paper. Sorry to the people who make money wading through the tax bullshit, but your job is actually anti-government as your competitor is the government. They can find a new job if the rich people just start paying taxes, because if rich people paid taxes people could be hired by someone other than the top 12% which run most corporations in the country.

As far as government funds, a lot of this is the hope that some of that money will go to giving someone who isn't rich a chance to compete. However, they don't focus enough on who they fund to ensure that they aren't just aiding the rich bastards of the world who want to keep all the power to themselves. Plenty of government funded organizations seriously need that funding so that they can maintain their business, but some of them are perfectly capable of sustaining themselves without funding. It is fine for the government to fund things, but rather than have representatives votes be the main focus they should have adequate checks to see how these funds are spent and drop people who waste these funds. yes it's good to determine which organizations deserve the money, but generally an organization which uses the money to do what it set out to do and told the government it would use the money on is helping something somehow. If we gave up on government funding, non-profits would go under and non-profits are a lot of the groups actually making the lives of the general populace a little better.

That's a few statements about your discussed views we can continue if you like.

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22-02-2011, 05:32 AM
 
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Well said, actually better so than myself. My main issue with all this stuff is that I've really only recently (last 10 years) become politically aware enough to even talk about it. I'm a scientist by trade which is not even close to a political wizard, so I don't have the nuts and bolts background to be eloquent. However I have eyes and ears, and a healthy dose of 'that makes no sense!' So its frustrating. I see how stupid what we do now is, but I also know how amazingly deeply we're invested in it. I'm not dumb enough to rant about social revolution when I don't have the chops to back it up. However I can't watch election, after election, and budget fight, after budget fight without needing an extra dose of my high blood pressure medicine.
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22-02-2011, 07:10 AM
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Thanks for the compliment. I understand very much but feel free any time to discuss your views with me. It helps calm you down a little if you have some pretty well defined plans of changes when someone actually is willing to listen to your side. And the best way to build your views is to discuss them. I talk like I talk because I do a lot of debating with people whether they actually debate or not =p

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22-02-2011, 01:24 PM (This post was last modified: 22-02-2011 02:48 PM by Seasbury.)
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(21-02-2011 09:40 AM)Dregs Wrote:  I'm quite low on give a shit right now.

Dregs - I hear you. I keep waiting for Americans to take to the streets for our "Day of Rage" ala the Middle East - of course, that would mean getting off the sofa and putting down the remote...

I'm a political junkie by nature and education. I'm on year 24 of working for the government - only another 11 to go and I'm off to being an ex-pat somewhere nice...

Just finished this piece on the Budget Battle this afternoon - enjoy, but don't give up. Without people standing up for what we believe it we will get rolled in the tide...

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22-02-2011, 02:46 PM
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I am so ready, been waiting on the riot since about 8. Once again a good article, of the we have to make something happen variety. I don't think the riot is coming this time, but I think it's getting close.

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