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14-06-2013, 11:37 AM (This post was last modified: 14-06-2013 11:57 AM by HU.Junyuan.)
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:25 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  [Image: DC+protest+Oct+2011+013.jpg]

Try this in front of the Executive office in Beijing and let me know how it works out for you.

OK. I will do my research and give you a reply later.

And by the way would you please let me know how this works out for you ?

Hint: gathering in multitudes, burning private property in public, turning police vehicles over, confronting the policemen and SWAT teams, leaving without anyone (not including those in the car crash) being arrested?

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14-06-2013, 11:42 AM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:28 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 11:24 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  My sorry for the family education (particularly about manners) your parents have provided.

If you know that I was referring to Snowden's not revealing the surveillance scandal in DC but in Hong Kong and you say the above quoted on purpose, you then are a dishonest person.

You say China has good human rights and you call me dishonest?

And I'll have you know, I'm putting myself through university.

Then answer me straight forwardly:

Did you know that I was referring to Snowden's not revealing the surveillance scandal in DC but in Hong Kong when I said " ... in Hong Kong"?

Did you say "You didn't say Hong Kong, you said Washington" regardless of you knowledge of the scandal on purpose ?

But whatever you answer is, you either need to improve your reading comprehension skills, or you are a dishonest person.

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14-06-2013, 11:48 AM
RE: Welcome to China.
Quote:IF I CALL FOR THE OVERTHROWN OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN THE STREETS OF WASHINGTON?

Washington. Not Hong Kong.

Quote:Free speech ... in Hong Kong ?

So this doesn't make sense, because you were talking about Washington, but in that post relating my response to Hong Kong...

My reading comprehension is fine, your English is shit.




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14-06-2013, 12:14 PM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:09 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 10:59 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  I can't help but wonder what constitutes a "legal" or "illegal" petition?

I mean, a petition is defined as:
pe·ti·tion
A formal written request, typically one signed by many people, appealing to authority with respect to a particular cause

It's basically a letter signed by many people to an authority in an attempt to have something changed or addressed. Is there really a nation on Earth currently which does not give it's people even the token freedom of petitions? And why? Why arrest a person for getting others to sign a piece of paper saying like "Hey, Government, you know what we, the people, think would be just fantastic? X. We'd love some X right about now. How's about you do us, the people your people stand for and represent, a favour and give us some X?"
X in this situation seems to be the ability to choose, or at least attempt to choose, who runs the country. It's not like such a petition would be inciting people into open revolt, rebellion or Revolution against the current Government or anything... Then again, traditionally, them communists were supposed to love them some good Revolutions....

Will you forgive if I say that I wasn't paying much attention to your post.

Besides, would you like to do some research to find out whether that man was put in jail because he had a "petition" ?

Actually, after reading this I did do some more research into this.

It turns out that he did not in fact have a petition per se, rather, he had sighed and by some reports co-authored Charter 8, essentially a petition, made in the image of the anti-Soviet Charter 77 by dissidents in Czechoslovakia released in 1977, it calls for reformation to the constitution, independent judiciaries, a removal of the Government's hold of the military, the removal of the one party system and the subsequent right to vote, among several other requests.

He was arrested on charges of "Inciting subversion of state power". This is a real charge in China, and defined as, in Chapter 2 of Article 105, Criminal Law of the People's Republic of China:
Quote:Whoever incites others by spreading rumors or slanders or any other means to subvert the State power or overthrow the socialist system shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not more than five years, criminal detention, public surveillance or deprivation of political rights; and the ringleaders and the others who commit major crimes shall be sentenced to fixed-term imprisonment of not less than five years.
Source: http://www.china.org.cn/china/Legislatio...899017.htm
Apparently his participation with the Charter is classified among "Crimes of Endangering National Security". Surely such a charge seems a little extreme when he merely signed and co-authored a simple piece of paper work which the Government could have simply fobbed off anyway, which it apparently did, going by the news reports I see, the Government made no formal address to Charter 8 (if I am merely out of date with my information, please correct me).
Also, an interesting thing about the law I quoted is the portion "... or any other means to subvert the State power ..." This, I must say, is a ingeniously added portion to the Law and I admire whomsoever was involved in and responsible for its inclusion for the artful incorporation of the piece. I mean, it's a prosecution lawyers dream inclusion! A statement so deliberately vague and stretchable that you could put a street preacher up on those charges and get away with it with a simple bending of words and liberal use of literal definitions. It is ingenious, it's brilliant, it's perfect for somebody who wants a trump card to pull out when no other charge seems to rightly cover the job at hand. Flawless for a group which, in the same sentence, makes it clear it does not want it's authority questioned.

As an aside, I do not mind at all if you ignored my previous post. Frankly, I find the passive aggression fascinating.

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14-06-2013, 12:31 PM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:37 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 11:25 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  [Image: DC+protest+Oct+2011+013.jpg]

Try this in front of the Executive office in Beijing and let me know how it works out for you.

OK. I will do my research and give you a reply later.

And by the way would you please let me know how this works out for you ?

Hint: gathering in multitudes, burning private property in public, turning police vehicles over, confronting the policemen and SWAT teams, leaving without anyone (not including those in the car crash) being arrested?

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I'm assuming it was some sort of protest? What was over?

I think our last really horrible riot was over the Rodney King trial. We've had some disruptive protests (like the occupy movement) those arrests were limited.


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14-06-2013, 01:37 PM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:48 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:IF I CALL FOR THE OVERTHROWN OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION IN THE STREETS OF WASHINGTON?

Washington. Not Hong Kong.

Quote:Free speech ... in Hong Kong ?

So this doesn't make sense, because you were talking about Washington, but in that post relating my response to Hong Kong...

My reading comprehension is fine, your English is shit.

Oh and while we're on the topic of Snowden, let's talk about Du Bin...

My sorry for the family education your parents provided again.Weeping

The entire sentence is "(If there is such wonderful) Free speech (in Washington) ... (why did Snowden choose to expose the surveillance scandal) in Hong Kong (where he thought he was free to make his voice heard) ?"

Is this too sophisticated for your mental capabilities ?

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14-06-2013, 01:43 PM
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(14-06-2013 12:31 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I'm assuming it was some sort of protest? What was over?

I think our last really horrible riot was over the Rodney King trial. We've had some disruptive protests (like the occupy movement) those arrests were limited.

Good guess ... but no.

I will release the answer in the "I am here to surprise you" thread.

In case you will ask, there's no civilian casualties and no arrest made towards those thousands who gathered in the midnight, burned the private car and turned the police vehicles over and broke their windows.

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14-06-2013, 01:44 PM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 01:43 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 12:31 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  I'm assuming it was some sort of protest? What was over?

I think our last really horrible riot was over the Rodney King trial. We've had some disruptive protests (like the occupy movement) those arrests were limited.

Good guess ... but no.

I will release the answer in the "I am here to surprise you" thread.

In case you will ask, there's no civilian casualties and no arrest made towards those thousands who gathered in the midnight, burned the private car and turned the police vehicles over and broke their windows.

So you have no idea what prompted those actions then?

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14-06-2013, 01:49 PM
RE: Welcome to China.
(14-06-2013 11:14 AM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 11:04 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  They will ask you to go join the other 50 people standing in the designated area in front of the white house. As long as you are not brandishing a weapon you will probably just be ignored. I live near DC and have been down Pennsylvania Ave before they closed it off to traffic (you can still walk down it and can get right by the White house) there are always protests there. Thats what freedom of speech means.

First, I was asking the slippery Chas, but anyway ...

Second, US Code Chapter 115 Item 2383 and 2385 don't say that it is illegal to provoke the overthrown of the current American administration and should be punished? If you say so, I will have to consider you as dishonest.

Thirdly, free speech again, why in Hong Kong, not in DC ?

Re-read what I said and try to understand the difference between violence and dissent.

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14-06-2013, 01:53 PM
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(14-06-2013 01:37 PM)HU.Junyuan Wrote:  
(14-06-2013 11:48 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  Washington. Not Hong Kong.


So this doesn't make sense, because you were talking about Washington, but in that post relating my response to Hong Kong...

My reading comprehension is fine, your English is shit.

Oh and while we're on the topic of Snowden, let's talk about Du Bin...

My sorry for the family education your parents provided again.Weeping

The entire sentence is "(If there is such wonderful) Free speech (in Washington) ... (why did Snowden choose to expose the surveillance scandal) in Hong Kong (where he thought he was free to make his voice heard) ?"

Is this too sophisticated for your mental capabilities ?

He was breaking the law by disclosing what he disclosed. That is why he didn't do it in Washington.
He signed a contract that required him to keep quiet about the work he was doing.

Is this too sophisticated for your mental capabilities ?

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