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08-06-2015, 11:51 AM
What “thinking atheists” don’t think about.
Atheists frequently see parallels between the Bible and other sources as evidence against the supposed divine nature of the Bible, but there is one remarkable parallel that atheists appear to have missed or simply ignore. The first part of this parallel appears in Plato’s Theaetetus:

Socrates: “In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.”

And the parallel passage appears in Mark 14:10-12 which reads:

Mark 14:10 When he (Christ) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

I believe that this parallel linking Christ to the Sophist Protagoras was intended as a deliberate allusion designed to let those “initiated” into the “Mysteries” that Christianity was in fact a Sophist invention. (I believe the Mar Saba Letter provides some support for this idea.)

Atheists also seem to have missed these remarks about Sophists in Plato’s Protagoras:

“Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic-masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first-rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.”

NOW THINK… What is the manner of the Sophist’s “veils”. (Also, remember the “tradition” of Veronica and her veil and think about how it might be interpreted.) The obvious answer is their disguise is in their words. At the time that Christ supposedly walked the earth, Philo of Alexandria was interpreting the Books of Moses just as hundreds of years earlier the Plato portrayed the rhapsode Ion (who is also identified as being from Ephesus) as interpreting the works of Sophist Homer.

I also view John (Greek: Ioannes) 1:1 as a deliberate allusion designed to make a connection to the interpretations of Philo:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Philo was a false interpreter who confined his interpretations to the Books of Moses in the same way that Ion confined his false interpretations to Homer. What I am suggesting by these connections is that the Apostle John (who has also been linked to Ephesus by “tradition”) is an allegoric representation of Philo.

THINK… How would you create a world? You could begin by placing words on a “flat” surface with “four corners”. How would you provide “eternal life”? Simple, tell a person’s story in the “heaven” of literal meaning. How would you “raise the dead”? First, find them in the underworld of hidden meanings and then bring them into the literal world through interpretation.

By treating the Bible as allegory and following the large number of clues available, I have discovered a hidden history of Christianity, and with it, an understanding of what religion is really about. (THINK about where the word “clue” comes from.) Based upon previous experience, I doubt that any one is ready to take my ideas seriously, but perhaps they might find time to at least think about them when they next come upon something that cannot be explained with conventional reasoning.

And think about what it means if I am correct. Atheists can open a new front in their war against religion.
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08-06-2015, 12:17 PM
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I think you are "on to something" *wink wink*

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08-06-2015, 12:24 PM
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(08-06-2015 11:51 AM)Anti-oil Wrote:  Atheists frequently see parallels between the Bible and other sources as evidence against the supposed divine nature of the Bible, but there is one remarkable parallel that atheists appear to have missed or simply ignore. The first part of this parallel appears in Plato’s Theaetetus:

Socrates: “In the name of the Graces, what an almighty wise man Protagoras must have been! He spoke these things in a parable to the common herd, like you and me, but told the truth, his Truth, in secret to his own disciples.”

And the parallel passage appears in Mark 14:10-12 which reads:

Mark 14:10 When he (Christ) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

I believe that this parallel linking Christ to the Sophist Protagoras was intended as a deliberate allusion designed to let those “initiated” into the “Mysteries” that Christianity was in fact a Sophist invention. (I believe the Mar Saba Letter provides some support for this idea.)

Atheists also seem to have missed these remarks about Sophists in Plato’s Protagoras:

“Now the art of the Sophist is, as I believe, of great antiquity; but in ancient times those who practiced it, fearing this odium, veiled and disguised themselves under various names, some under that of poets, as Homer, Hesiod, and Simonides, some, of hierophants and prophets, as Orpheus and Musaeus, and some, as I observe, even under the name of gymnastic-masters, like Iccus of Tarentum, or the more recently celebrated Herodicus, now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara, who is a first-rate Sophist. Your own Agathocles pretended to be a musician, but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the Cean; and there were many others; and all of them, as I was saying, adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of the odium which they would incur.”

NOW THINK… What is the manner of the Sophist’s “veils”. (Also, remember the “tradition” of Veronica and her veil and think about how it might be interpreted.) The obvious answer is their disguise is in their words. At the time that Christ supposedly walked the earth, Philo of Alexandria was interpreting the Books of Moses just as hundreds of years earlier the Plato portrayed the rhapsode Ion (who is also identified as being from Ephesus) as interpreting the works of Sophist Homer.

I also view John (Greek: Ioannes) 1:1 as a deliberate allusion designed to make a connection to the interpretations of Philo:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Philo was a false interpreter who confined his interpretations to the Books of Moses in the same way that Ion confined his false interpretations to Homer. What I am suggesting by these connections is that the Apostle John (who has also been linked to Ephesus by “tradition”) is an allegoric representation of Philo.

THINK… How would you create a world? You could begin by placing words on a “flat” surface with “four corners”. How would you provide “eternal life”? Simple, tell a person’s story in the “heaven” of literal meaning. How would you “raise the dead”? First, find them in the underworld of hidden meanings and then bring them into the literal world through interpretation.

By treating the Bible as allegory and following the large number of clues available, I have discovered a hidden history of Christianity, and with it, an understanding of what religion is really about. (THINK about where the word “clue” comes from.) Based upon previous experience, I doubt that any one is ready to take my ideas seriously, but perhaps they might find time to at least think about them when they next come upon something that cannot be explained with conventional reasoning.

And think about what it means if I am correct. Atheists can open a new front in their war against religion.

Yeah, well we get one of you nuts about once a week or so. All just so sure you have discovered something everyone else missed. In fact the "messianic secret" in mark is known to most every scholar. Where did YOU get your advanced degree in Biblical Studies ? There is no evidence that Christianity is a "Sophist invention". Atheists have "missed" nothing. The fact is you insane idiots can't get anywhere with beliebers, so you inflict this shit on non-believers.

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08-06-2015, 12:42 PM
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If I have to read another post like that I just may quit the forum and reconvert back to Christianity. Bowing

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08-06-2015, 01:59 PM
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(08-06-2015 11:51 AM)Anti-oil Wrote:  Atheists frequently see parallels between the Bible and other sources as evidence against the supposed divine nature of the Bible,

No, we don't. We don't ever see these parallels, ever.

So, are we done now?

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08-06-2015, 02:28 PM
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I still say Superman can kick Green Lantern's ass.......


That's just as much a part of reality, as any discussion of "biblical text" -- which is nothing more than a comic book, without the pictures....

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08-06-2015, 02:32 PM
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(08-06-2015 02:28 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  I still say Superman can kick Green Lantern's ass.......


That's just as much a part of reality, as any discussion of "biblical text" -- which is nothing more than a comic book, without the pictures....

Maybe one of the scrubs but someone like Hal Jordan or Kyle Rayner could take Supes apart molecule by molecule with those power rings. If Saint Walker (the blue lantern) was around Supes would not even have a chance.

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08-06-2015, 02:34 PM
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Maybe so.....

ever occur to you - that Jesus might be a vampire?????

Think of it -- all the weird fixation on blood --

AND

His kryptonite is a CROSS!!!!

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08-06-2015, 02:35 PM
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08-06-2015, 02:59 PM
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(08-06-2015 11:51 AM)Anti-oil Wrote:  Mark 14:10 When he (Christ) was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11 He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12 so that, "'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'"

How nasty is that? He keeps secrets from the people so they can't know how to be forgiven. And you worship him?

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