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19-01-2016, 10:48 AM (This post was last modified: 19-01-2016 10:53 AM by Agnostic Shane.)
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 10:44 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:42 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
The only disagreements I have had thus far with other posters is this:
Some of them are 100% certain that things exist outside of their senses even if they have no physical interaction with it. ie. Sight, Touch, Smell, Hear, Taste.
I am uncertain if anything outside of my senses exist until I have physical interaction with it. (p.s. at which point would make it inside of my senses)

BuckyBall Wrote:
Thanks for demonstrating even further that you were dishonest in your OP.
So now "thoughts" have magically turned into "senses".

Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
Not dishonest just overly cautious. Thoughts and self awareness go hand in hand.
It's quite probable I would have been called a Solipsist way may if had put self awareness in my op.
Still I take full responsibility for confusing many of you as a result of my own insecurities.

BuckyBall Wrote:
Dishonest rationalization. It DIRECTLY contradicts what you claimed in the OP. You are shown to be self-contradictory, and you try to obfuscate. "Thoughts and self awareness go hand in hand" has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with the point you made it look like your were addressing. You are a solipsist. You are too dishonest to admit it.

Agnostic Shane Wrote:
Ok Bucky thoughts and self awareness are in no way closely related to each other. In fact they contradict each other.
Is this an honest statement?

BuckyBall Wrote:
Are you on drugs ? You can't even follow your OWN statements.
Something is very fishy here.

Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
There is just no pleasing you is there? Even when I'm agreeing with you, you find flaw.

What could I have possibly said that in any way contradicts what I claimed in my OP?

Why is that addressed to me? Consider

You OP was pure Solipsism.
Feel free to neg rep me but at least quote me within context please.

Here is why my op cannot be a claim to Solipsism.
In my op I specifically stated I believe in the possibility that there are things that exist outside of my "thought awareness" (should have read "self awareness")
A Solipsist will call me a liar because they do not believe in the possibility that anything could exist outside of their self awareness.
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19-01-2016, 10:49 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 10:48 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:44 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why is that addressed to me? Consider

You OP was pure Solipsism.

Feel free to neg rep me but at least quote me within context please.

You are a fucking idiot.

Does that answer your question?

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19-01-2016, 10:49 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 10:48 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:44 AM)Chas Wrote:  Why is that addressed to me? Consider

You OP was pure Solipsism.

Feel free to neg rep me but at least quote me within context please.

What context? You relpied to my post and I asked why. That is the context. Facepalm

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19-01-2016, 10:59 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 10:49 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:48 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  Feel free to neg rep me but at least quote me within context please.

What context? You relpied to my post and I asked why. That is the context. Facepalm

You commentary claims I made the claim "thoughts & self awareness" do not go hand I hand.
I just proved to you that it was only me mimicking the absurdity of Bucky's claim that thoughts and self awareness are contradictory. (even if i somehow misinterpreted what he said)
Please remove the commentary as it does not honestly depict my opinion.
You could keep it there but it would only show that you are being dishonest now that I have shown you the context in which it was said.
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19-01-2016, 11:01 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 10:59 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:49 AM)Chas Wrote:  What context? You relpied to my post and I asked why. That is the context. Facepalm

You commentary claims I made the claim "thoughts & self awareness" do not go hand I hand.
I just proved to you that it was only me mimicking the absurdity of Bucky's claim that thoughts and self awareness are contradictory. (even if i somehow misinterpreted what he said)
Please remove the commentary as it does not honestly depict my opinion.
You could keep it there but it would only show that you are being dishonest now that I have shown you the context in which it was said.

Re-read your OP.

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19-01-2016, 11:04 AM
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(15-01-2016 08:15 PM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  I would know the thought process of pain absolutely exists.
Still falls under the category of thought.
How can you absolutely prove you are not a a brain in a vat being fed electrical impulses that creates an illusion of pain in the given situation?
How can you prove that pain is real outside of mere thoughts?

Logic is my mother language. I learned this before English.
Disprove the logic in my statements please.

I do not deny you may be right but how can you be absolutely certain it is real outside of a mere thought process?

I will take your reply to mean I do not fall under any of the listed categories and I have the first label in my quest to find out what to classify myself as.

Nominations:
Bucky Ball - Mental Fapper (world view definition still pending)

Thank you, keep them coming.

Pain is not a thought process, (which you might know if you had ANY science education). It's reflexive, and in many cases the signals don't even transmit to the brain, but the loop is first to the spinal column. You cannot "think" about whether you wish to experience pain or not. The electrons flow. Period. Pain can be proven on MRI and PET scans, (as well as many other mental processes).

The statement that you knew logic before language is a monumental fail. Without language FIRST, there is, and can be no logic. But it is an interesting insight into you deep deep level of ignorance of science in general, learning, and Neuro-science.

Please enlighten us as to how logic works with no language.
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19-01-2016, 11:07 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 11:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 10:59 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  You commentary claims I made the claim "thoughts & self awareness" do not go hand I hand.
I just proved to you that it was only me mimicking the absurdity of Bucky's claim that thoughts and self awareness are contradictory. (even if i somehow misinterpreted what he said)
Please remove the commentary as it does not honestly depict my opinion.
You could keep it there but it would only show that you are being dishonest now that I have shown you the context in which it was said.

Re-read your OP.
You are probably referring to this line:
"Thoughts are the only known true reality" (not Solipsism)
This is not the same as:
"Thoughts are the only true reality" (Solipsism)

Eg.
Earth is the only known planet with life. (true)
Earth is the only planet with life. (unknown & by extension dishonest)
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19-01-2016, 11:10 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 11:07 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  "Thoughts are the only known true reality" (not Solipsism)

Except that this is wrong as you have no way of knowing if your thoughts are real, or yours, or even a thing that CAN exist.

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19-01-2016, 11:12 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 11:07 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 11:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  Re-read your OP.
You are probably referring to this line:
"Thoughts are the only known true reality" (not Solipsism)
This is not the same as:
"Thoughts are the only true reality" (Solipsism)

Eg.
Earth is the only known planet with life. (true)
Earth is the only planet with life. (unknown & by extension dishonest)

Solipsism: the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.

You are the one insisting on absolute certainty, so you are a Solipsist.


And you're an atheist. Drinking Beverage

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19-01-2016, 11:13 AM
RE: What Am I?
(19-01-2016 11:07 AM)Agnostic Shane Wrote:  
(19-01-2016 11:01 AM)Chas Wrote:  Re-read your OP.
You are probably referring to this line:
"Thoughts are the only known true reality" (not Solipsism)
This is not the same as:
"Thoughts are the only true reality" (Solipsism)

No. Both are varieties of solipsism. The latter is strong metaphysical solipsism, but the former is methodological solipsism.

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