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08-01-2013, 08:08 AM (This post was last modified: 08-01-2013 08:18 AM by ghostexorcist.)
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(08-01-2013 12:53 AM)kim Wrote:  GhostE - what are your thoughts on raising chimps so close with humans and then returning them to nature? Especially after the Nim project was just so heartbreaking - I don't see how it's a good idea to put them into the wild. It's like they are half way between worlds. At least in a habitat they would be protected. I think we have a lot to learn. Undecided

I am not a big fan of it at all; I think it is a huge injustice to the chimps. They are all cute when they are kids, but they eventually turn into unpredictable, territorial adults. It's not their fault, it's just their nature. This is why so many people get rid of their chimps. Most zoos won't take them because they didn't learn the requisite face, hand, and body gestures, or the social ranking system, when they were younger. So they are neither a chimp or a human, but something in between.

Washoe had an extremely hard time adjusting to living in the chimp colony. Her caregiver Roger knew she would never survive, so he talked the owner, a recognized psychologist with sociopathic tendencies who liked to shoot the chimps with pellet guns and tase them with cattle prods, into letting him place any signing chimps who came to the facility on a small island in the middle of the property. All who came to the island eventually adjusted and became their own family with Washoe as the matriarch. Roger Fouts, who eventually got his PhD, was able to take the signing chimps with him when he got hired at a university in Washington State. He eventually raised enough money to build them a large facility. Thus, these apes had a happy ending. Although, Fouts is adamant that apes should never be raised as humans in the first place, not to mention that such individuals should never be returned to the wild.

The best example I can give as to why human-reared chimps should never be returned to the wild is Lucy Temerlin. She was given to a female psychotherapist and professor to raise by the aforementioned psychologist, her former mentor. Lucy thrived in the human environment, even taking to drinking liquor while watching TV or flipping through magazines. She even took to pleasuring herself while looking at the nude male figures in Playgirl. But she eventually had to be transferred to a reserve in Africa when she became too unpredictable at the age of 12. She was left in the care of a psychology grad student who tried to make the transition into a wild community smoother. However, Lucy would sign that she was "HURT" because she was so sad about the situation. They later found her remains in the forest, apparently the result of poaching. Some people doubt she died that way, though. Even if she wasn't killed that way, I'm sure it wasn't a happy ending. After all, she was only 23 years old when she died. Here is the last known photo of Lucy hugging the grad student before her death:

[Image: Lucy_and_Janis_hugging.png]

To get the thread back on track, I also recently purchased the following book:

Infant Chimpanzee and Human Child (1935) by N.N. Ladygina-Kohts

This often cited long-term experiment was the first to ever compare the cognitive development of human and chimpanzee children. It was originally written in Russian. This edition is the first full English translation prepared in 2002.
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