What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
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05-10-2016, 01:01 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
(05-10-2016 12:27 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 10:42 AM)Fireball Wrote:  Gasp Life expectancy 90 seconds instead of one week. One week was the going rate for helicopter door gunners in Viet Nam in the '60s and '70s.

My brother-in-law's brother did two tours swinging a .50 on a CH-47. Then he died crossing a street in Indianapolis. Facepalm

Someone has to fill out the rest of the Bell curve. Yes I should have said the "mean life expectancy". Too bad he bought it that way, though, your own people taking you out. Dodgy
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05-10-2016, 01:22 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
The whole Mars thing is built around raising money. That's all it is right now. They will employ lots of people to do experiments and run studies, but in the end if they do send people out, they know it's not feasible.

Put a viable capsule on the moon first.
Hell put one 100 ft below the water and let people live there for two years.

They will really need to perfect WHO goes on this journey. What personalities mesh well together and then you can worry about what buttons they will push to unlock the preprogrammed capsules that will link together to form their agricultural habitat.

You need people to push a few buttons and fix things if they break down. Other than that, personalites will be the main factor.

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05-10-2016, 03:21 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
I heard it is about a 1-way ticket journey.
It is somehow like passing away (when one dies) with no return Consider

And, thanks to the very advanced technology in the audio/video field, even if the travellers into space will reach nowhere, their relatives on earth can still see and hear them as if they were alive.

In brief, it is a genius idea to gain huge amounts of money by selling one-way tickets into space Wink

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05-10-2016, 03:53 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
We're explorers it's what we do.

Quote:... There is no strife, no prejudice, no national conflict in outer space as yet. Its hazards are hostile to us all. Its conquest deserves the best of all mankind, and its opportunity for peaceful cooperation many never come again. But why, some say, the moon? Why choose this as our goal? And they may well ask why climb the highest mountain? Why, 35 years ago, fly the Atlantic? Why does Rice play Texas?

We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.
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05-10-2016, 06:09 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
Biochem with specialties in genetic manipulation, botany, medicine and/or veterinary sciences would be a decent combo. It'll also keep food on your plate while you're waiting for your shuttle to launch. Personality is going to be a large factor if they're competent.

Basically, ask yourself, "What skills will they need and how can I combine these?" People with just one of those skills stand a poor chance. Thousands of doctors will apply. Few of those doctors will be able to tweak the genes in the carrots they sent up. The best combinations are ones that you can apply here on Earth because you'll be able to become infamous gain experience and earn a decent wage.

Skip Mars though, it's largely hype and nearly useless. A good place to explore but crap for colonization. Strikes include:

- An atmosphere that's just thick enough to be annoying but too thin to be useful. It gives you no greenhouse effect, protection from radiation or small meteorites. Water boils on the surface and it's too thin to fly in. Parachutes have to be massive and are only marginally effective. But it still causes drag on launch and heating on re-entry and throws dust everywhere.

- Radiation. Probably the biggest strike against Mars, it lacks either significant atmosphere or magnetic field. Cosmic and solar radiation will be a constant problem so you *will* be living underground unless you like dying a really ugly death on the surface.

- Sunlight. Mars gets ~45% of the sunlight that Earth receives. Many of our plants won't grow well under these conditions so either extra light or genetic tweaking will be necessary. And given the radiation you're likely to be growing them in caves anyway.

- Energy: Hydrocarbons and geothermal are non-starters and wind is a joke given the thin atmosphere. Solar is poor enough on Earth before you deduct more than half. Nuclear seems like the smart option until you start looking around for coolant. The atmosphere's too thin to shed much heat and you don't want to boil any liquids so you're probably looking at relatively inefficient radiative cooling.

- Gravity: Enough to be annoying but not enough to keep your physiology from going haywire.

- Location, location, location. Mars isn't handy to anything terribly interesting. It makes a lousy refueling spot because your launch window to/from Earth is rubbish much of the time, you have to produce energy to make fuel and then you have to burn most of it to push the rest up that bloody gravity well.

- Life: This may be the one that really kills the deal. From a scientific perspective, keeping Mars as pristine as possible so we can search for life that may have originated there is incredibly important. There are some important treaties regarding that. More importantly, the possibility of life means that any colonists could stumble upon something that would make cane toads in Australia look like a picnic. Exotic lifeforms from other planets are a very bad idea.

Better bets include the moon (great location on the cusp of Earth's gravity well, lotsa energy and plenty of water in the polar caps just begging to be made into rocket fuel), the asteroids (metal that you don't have to drag up Earth's gravity well, what a novel idea) and the comets (for all your space-faring carbon and oxygen needs).

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05-10-2016, 06:30 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
A certain degree of insanity is a pretty good bet. Laugh out load

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05-10-2016, 06:40 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
(05-10-2016 01:01 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 12:27 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  My brother-in-law's brother did two tours swinging a .50 on a CH-47. Then he died crossing a street in Indianapolis. Facepalm

Someone has to fill out the rest of the Bell curve. Yes I should have said the "mean life expectancy". Too bad he bought it that way, though, your own people taking you out. Dodgy

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05-10-2016, 06:55 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
(05-10-2016 06:40 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 01:01 PM)Fireball Wrote:  Someone has to fill out the rest of the Bell curve. Yes I should have said the "mean life expectancy". Too bad he bought it that way, though, your own people taking you out. Dodgy

"Friendly fire isn't friendly." Sadcryface

Sad I figured he had been run over by a car. Getting shot is not the way to die, after spending that much time overseas, getting shot at. That stinks. Dodgy
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05-10-2016, 07:05 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
(05-10-2016 06:55 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(05-10-2016 06:40 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  "Friendly fire isn't friendly." Sadcryface

Sad I figured he had been run over by a car. Getting shot is not the way to die, after spending that much time overseas, getting shot at. That stinks. Dodgy

Guy in my unit back in Nevada took a similar path. Deployed for a year as a cav scout, came back and got killed on his 2nd day back on the job as a cop. Got a park named after him and everything :/

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05-10-2016, 10:16 PM
RE: What Degrees Are A Good Bet to Go To Mars?
We should send everyone who has a degree in Theology or Bible Studies. Yes

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