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06-07-2014, 02:27 PM
What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
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The Breadbasket of the world is drying up. The Aquifers that supply the Great Plains are mostly Fossil Water and do not replenish. So what happens next? If America can no longer export billions of dollars worth of grain to the world, most of it as foreign aid, does that cause the dominos to start falling?

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06-07-2014, 02:40 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
You mean 'climate change' might be happening? Don't tell the shits at FOX.

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06-07-2014, 02:40 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
(06-07-2014 02:27 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/last...is-n146836

The Breadbasket of the world is drying up. The Aquifers that supply the Great Plains are mostly Fossil Water and do not replenish. So what happens next? If America can no longer export billions of dollars worth of grain to the world, most of it as foreign aid, does that cause the dominos to start falling?

Doubt it - humans have a habit of adapting - it may be painful in the shortterm however...
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06-07-2014, 02:42 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
Not sure if sarcastic or not.. Dodgy

If not, let's us examine the numbers.

EU: 134.5 million metric tons
China: 125.6 million metric tons
India: 94.9 million metric tons
US: 61.8 million metric tons
Russia: 37.7 million metric tons
Australia: 29.9 million metric tons
Canada: 27.0 million metric tons

Going by this, I'm sure the world will survive. They seem very capable of producing their own wheat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...statistics
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06-07-2014, 02:46 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
The current system is completely unsustainable in a whole myriad of ways. It's why it's being called the long emergency. For example, once the fossil water runs out it will require more energy to transport water in. Not to mention the amount of oil that is currently being used for fertilising the depleted soil.

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06-07-2014, 02:47 PM (This post was last modified: 06-07-2014 02:53 PM by Revenant77x.)
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
(06-07-2014 02:42 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Not sure if sarcastic or not.. Dodgy

If not, let's us examine the numbers.

EU: 134.5 million metric tons
China: 125.6 million metric tons
India: 94.9 million metric tons
US: 61.8 million metric tons
Russia: 37.7 million metric tons
Australia: 29.9 million metric tons
Canada: 27.0 million metric tons

Going by this, I'm sure the world will survive. They seem very capable of producing their own wheat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...statistics

Gross production is not how much is exported.

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-ed...tries.aspx

Country Exports (in billions)

United States $118.3

Netherlands $79

Germany $70.8

France $68

Brazil $55.4

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06-07-2014, 02:52 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
(06-07-2014 02:47 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 02:42 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Not sure if sarcastic or not.. Dodgy

If not, let's us examine the numbers.

EU: 134.5 million metric tons
China: 125.6 million metric tons
India: 94.9 million metric tons
US: 61.8 million metric tons
Russia: 37.7 million metric tons
Australia: 29.9 million metric tons
Canada: 27.0 million metric tons

Going by this, I'm sure the world will survive. They seem very capable of producing their own wheat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...statistics

Gross production is not how much is exported.

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-ed...tries.aspx

Country


Exports (in billions)

United States $118.3

Netherlands $79

Germany $70.8

France $68

Brazil $55.4

Commodity Leading country % of Global Exports

Corn United States 50.1% ($9.1 billion)

Fish China 9.2% ($6.6 billion)

Palm Oil Indonesia 51% ($10.4 billion)

Rice Thailand 34.5% ($6 billion)

Soybeans United States 50.5% ($16.5 billion)

Wheat United States 18% ($5.4 billion)

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06-07-2014, 02:55 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
(06-07-2014 02:47 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 02:42 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Not sure if sarcastic or not.. Dodgy

If not, let's us examine the numbers.

EU: 134.5 million metric tons
China: 125.6 million metric tons
India: 94.9 million metric tons
US: 61.8 million metric tons
Russia: 37.7 million metric tons
Australia: 29.9 million metric tons
Canada: 27.0 million metric tons

Going by this, I'm sure the world will survive. They seem very capable of producing their own wheat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internation...statistics

Gross production is not how much is exported.

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-ed...tries.aspx

Country


Exports (in billions)

United States $118.3

Netherlands $79

Germany $70.8

France $68

Brazil $55.4

Sure, but you're talking about the US halting production. I'm saying that the rest of the world seems very capable of producing its own grain, especially China.
If the US was to stop grain production the price would go up and it would become a very viable crop to grow and export because it would be profitable.
So as America's production decreases other countries production would increase (with the desire to export the left over grain) to fill the slot.
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06-07-2014, 03:01 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
(06-07-2014 02:55 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 02:47 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Gross production is not how much is exported.

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-ed...tries.aspx

Country


Exports (in billions)

United States $118.3

Netherlands $79

Germany $70.8

France $68

Brazil $55.4

Sure, but you're talking about the US halting production. I'm saying that the rest of the world seems very capable of producing its own grain, especially China.
If the US was to stop grain production the price would go up and it would become a very viable crop to grow and export because it would be profitable.
So as America's production decreases other countries production would increase (with the desire to export the left over grain) to fill the slot.

Actually China is already a top producer but exports almost none because of its population and the logistical nightmare of that country. Yes there probably would be some nations that step up but would they be able to replace 50% of the worlds total export on basic commodity items? Remember we are not talking about losing a few points here or there we are talking about the potential of the worlds leader in food exports collapsing.

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06-07-2014, 03:52 PM
RE: What Happens when America can no longer feed the world?
Also as oil prices rise biofuel production increases which means less capacity for growing food.

The world can't just switch to growing crops as prices rise. Prime farm land has already been built on with miles of McHouses. You can't just knock those houses down and start farming there again.There is also an issue of the depletion of top soil being washed out to sea which is why oil is used for fertilising crops.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topsoil#Erosion

Quote:The United States alone loses almost 3 tons of topsoil per acre per year.[5] This is of great ecological concern as one inch of topsoil can take 500 years to form naturally.[6] On current trends, the world has about 60 years of topsoil left.
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