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11-06-2017, 10:35 AM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
Anyone who thinks people should be allowed to have guns ought to be shot!
Defend your right to own and arm bears!
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11-06-2017, 10:38 AM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(11-06-2017 10:35 AM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  Anyone who thinks people should be allowed to have guns ought to be shot!
Defend your right to own and arm bears!

Lolz, nice try at defusion, sadly I feel we are way past rationality in this debate.
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11-06-2017, 10:39 AM
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(11-06-2017 10:19 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:02 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  No you don't love all of them all at the same time, otherwise you'd also include liberals who own firearms too.

Skip the labels and subject for a second. I really hate my species attitude of judging an individual solely based on one label or one topic. Humans, all 7 billion of us are still ultimately individuals.

I don't love all atheists just because I share the position with them. I think it is stupid of you to think that about any issue.

I don't hate all gun owners and to me it depends on the individual. I do see far too many ignoring a long time problem with gun injuries and deaths, but I don't assume that all firearm owners are like that.

You should not assume every firearm owner agrees with you..

Same with any subject. Humans are never as simplistic as one topic. I can for example value my fellow species POTENTIAL to be non violent and compassionate, but I don't assume that is automatic with every individual.

You love gun owners? Why? That is such a stupid way of thinking. I am quite sure if you could meet the estimated 55milion gun users in America you could find some whom you don't like. Just like I know some fellow liberals I don't like and some fellow atheists I don't like.

Your talk sets you up for group think and blind loyalty. I think the honest thing you can say is that you have a personal like you share with others, but that still does not make the topic itself a loyalty oath.

Thank you. You really made me rethink my statement.

I now understand that I shouldn't love ALL gun owners. I should have realized that gang bangers are gun owners, and I sure as hell don't love them. Terrorists might own some guns among their other killing mechanisms, and I hate them fucks too. White power kkk bastards are probably gun owners, and they can all die for all I care.

So I therefore change my statement.

I love all non criminal legal gun owners.

Back with that bullshit city vs rural crap.

Nope sorry, it isn't about geography not even about legal vs illegal. I live out in the sticks and I hear about gun violence down here all the time too. And you keep forgetting legal at time of buy still does not prevent the legal buyer from hurting themselves or someone else after the legal buy, and guess what, THAT is where most injuries and deaths occur.

So you stupidly think it is impossible for someone to have no record, LEGALLY buy a firearm, then say get drunk and shoot their spouse? You think it is impossible for someone with no record, to buy a firearm, then stupidly leave it out and have their kid accidentally shoot themselves or someone else?

So who do you mean by "gang bangers" because 9 people died in a gun shoot out at a biker bar in Texas, are you going to include them too? I bet many of the shooters in that shootout also had legal firearms prior to the shootout.

I hope you are not suggesting any skin tone litmus test here.

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11-06-2017, 10:44 AM
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(11-06-2017 10:33 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:28 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Look it up or not, isn't my problem.

Thank you, you have just confirmed what I thought. # Ain't gotta clue.

You made a positive statement, that I had constructed a strawman. You couldn't back it up with a clear statement of what that "strawman" was. Not my problem.
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11-06-2017, 10:52 AM
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(11-06-2017 10:44 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:33 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Thank you, you have just confirmed what I thought. # Ain't gotta clue.

You made a positive statement, that I had constructed a strawman. You couldn't back it up with a clear statement of what that "strawman" was. Not my problem.

Nice try, I asked you tell me why your argument wasn't a straw man, also others have made a clear statement of what the straw man was I'm merely trying to get to the truth but as you are unable to do so your dishonesty speaks volumes to me. I don't know what happened to you mate but it sure ain't pretty. Sad
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11-06-2017, 10:53 AM
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(11-06-2017 10:52 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:44 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  You made a positive statement, that I had constructed a strawman. You couldn't back it up with a clear statement of what that "strawman" was. Not my problem.

Nice try, I asked you tell me why your argument wasn't a straw man, also others have made a clear statement of what the straw man was I'm merely trying to get to the truth but as you are unable to do so your dishonesty speaks volumes to me. I don't know what happened to you mate but it sure ain't pretty. Sad

I'm not going to defend against something that never happened. Your insults are good evidence you're stuck and can't find a way out of the hole you dug.
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11-06-2017, 11:04 AM
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(11-06-2017 10:53 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:52 AM)adey67 Wrote:  Nice try, I asked you tell me why your argument wasn't a straw man, also others have made a clear statement of what the straw man was I'm merely trying to get to the truth but as you are unable to do so your dishonesty speaks volumes to me. I don't know what happened to you mate but it sure ain't pretty. Sad

I'm not going to defend against something that never happened. Your insults are good evidence you're stuck and can't find a way out of the hole you dug.

Another example of your dishonesty is that I insulted you, I did not I simply asked you to explain your beliefs so I could understand them you failed to do so. If your definition of an insult seems to be someone who disagrees with you that speaks volumes in my favour not yours.
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11-06-2017, 11:10 AM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(11-06-2017 11:04 AM)adey67 Wrote:  
(11-06-2017 10:53 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  I'm not going to defend against something that never happened. Your insults are good evidence you're stuck and can't find a way out of the hole you dug.

Another example of your dishonesty is that I insulted you, I did not I simply asked you to explain your beliefs so I could understand them you failed to do so. If your definition of an insult seems to be someone who disagrees with you that speaks volumes in my favour not yours.

On any subject, not just this one, but any with anyone anywhere, not always getting the answers you want does not make the other person dishonest, it can mean that you have an answer yourself and you've already made up your mind. In my history of reading Godzillia's posts not just here but elsewhere I have seen him be quite honest and frank.

But again, on any subject, disagreeing does not make either side dishonest. The only thing that can really settle a dispute is independent data without the bias of either side.

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11-06-2017, 11:11 AM
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To answer directly the base question of the thread What do I think of gun owners? They scare me! Three redneck kids swaggering thru WalMart with guns on their hips! They scare me. I used to sell a lot of scrap metal. I drove into one scrap yard where I had sold a lot of loads of metal and the owner had a pistol strapped to his hip. That scared me. I took my load elsewhere.
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11-06-2017, 11:14 AM
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(11-06-2017 11:11 AM)Born Again Pagan Wrote:  To answer directly the base question of the thread What do I think of gun owners? They scare me! Three redneck kids swaggering thru WalMart with guns on their hips! They scare me. I used to sell a lot of scrap metal. I drove into one scrap yard where I had sold a lot of loads of metal and the owner had a pistol strapped to his hip. That scared me. I took my load elsewhere.

Lol.

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