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07-07-2017, 03:35 PM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(07-07-2017 03:26 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:19 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Well, no.

They only got atom bombs on their cities, killing tens of thousands of civilians, once they had effectively already lost the war.
USA didn't do it as retaliation for Perl Harbour, it was because the Japanese were willing to fight to the bitter end rather than give up and the US would rather kill masses of civilians than fight a lengthy military battle.
Given the carnage of Iwo Jima I don't blame them tbh
According to Gen. Anami, the War Minister, there were no civilians in Japan. So be it.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewP...-03-10.pdf
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07-07-2017, 03:41 PM
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(07-07-2017 03:35 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:26 PM)adey67 Wrote:  Given the carnage of Iwo Jima I don't blame them tbh
According to Gen. Anami, the War Minister, there were no civilians in Japan. So be it.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewP...-03-10.pdf

Thanks for the pdf looks interesting, I'm sorry we fell out on a different thread, shake hands ?? Smile
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07-07-2017, 04:09 PM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(07-07-2017 03:41 PM)adey67 Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 03:35 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  According to Gen. Anami, the War Minister, there were no civilians in Japan. So be it.

http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/NHC/NewP...-03-10.pdf

Thanks for the pdf looks interesting, I'm sorry we fell out on a different thread, shake hands ?? Smile
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07-07-2017, 04:22 PM (This post was last modified: 07-07-2017 04:26 PM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(06-07-2017 02:58 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(03-07-2017 06:14 AM)BackSlider Wrote:  During WW II, the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
Wasn't Pearl Harbour part of USA? That was one of the first targets that Japan went for. Pearl Harbour was a complete victory for Japan, even though the Americans at Pearl Harbour were much more trained and heavily armed than your average armchair USA gun enthusiast.

Pearl Harbor was raided, not invaded. There is a distinct difference in the military parlance and you should perhaps learn it before assaying it.

(06-07-2017 02:58 PM)Stevil Wrote:  One would think that the key inhibitor to taking the American continent would have been lack of a nearby land base from which to launch the attack.
Problem with naval ships is that ships can sink.

That was not the key issue. The key issue was that Japan didn't go to war with America in order to conquer America. It launched war upon America in order to neutralize the Pacific Fleet and prevent its interfering with Japan's conquest of Southeast Asia's oil, rubber, and manganese resources.

(06-07-2017 02:58 PM)Stevil Wrote:  One of the big reasons why the German's had such a hard time trying to invade Britan, the English Channel!

So their downfall was water rather than armed civilians.

Of course the Japanese weren't deterred by private rifles in America. Nor were they deterred by the water, either; because they never intended to invade America at all.

Your reading of events is ignorant of history. The Japanese never wanted to invade the American mainland, not because of guns or oceans, but because what they wanted was to the Southeast, not the East.

A little reading goes a long ways. I suggest you give it a try sometime. GZ's Hyperwar website is one of many excellent resources and stuffed with government documents, first-person reports, and the like.
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07-07-2017, 05:00 PM
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(07-07-2017 04:22 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  A little reading goes a long ways. I suggest you give it a try sometime. GZ's Hyperwar website is one of many excellent resources and stuffed with government documents, first-person reports, and the like.
And we just passed 200 terabytes of documents. Drinking Beverage
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07-07-2017, 06:14 PM
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(07-07-2017 04:22 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  A little reading goes a long ways. I suggest you give it a try sometime.
Well, congrats, I've been here for a few years, met many a troll, argued with a few argumentative types. But you officially are the first I will put on Ignore, hopefully the only.
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08-07-2017, 10:08 AM
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(07-07-2017 04:22 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Your reading of events is ignorant of history. The Japanese never wanted to invade the American mainland, not because of guns or oceans, but because what they wanted was to the Southeast, not the East...

Immediately after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a fleet of seven Japanese submarines patrolled the US West Coast, with plans to bombard targets in California on Christmas Eve 1941. The attack was postponed until 27 December but then cancelled due to fears of an American reprisal. Japanese submarines also fired shells at the Ellwood Oil Field west of Santa Barbara in California, and Fort Stevens—a US military installation in Oregon. The Japanese also launched so-called fire balloons towards the US mainland with the intention of starting devastating forest fires, but only 300 ever landed, and caused little damage. And in 1942, the Japanese also had an intercontinental bomber under development—the Z Bombers Project—which was to be capable of reaching the North American west coast.

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08-07-2017, 10:43 AM
RE: What Is Your Opinion Of Gunowners?
(08-07-2017 10:08 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(07-07-2017 04:22 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  Your reading of events is ignorant of history. The Japanese never wanted to invade the American mainland, not because of guns or oceans, but because what they wanted was to the Southeast, not the East...

Immediately after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, a fleet of seven Japanese submarines patrolled the US West Coast, with plans to bombard targets in California on Christmas Eve 1941. The attack was postponed until 27 December but then cancelled due to fears of an American reprisal. Japanese submarines also fired shells at the Ellwood Oil Field west of Santa Barbara in California, and Fort Stevens—a US military installation in Oregon. The Japanese also launched so-called fire balloons towards the US mainland with the intention of starting devastating forest fires, but only 300 ever landed, and caused little damage. And in 1942, the Japanese also had an intercontinental bomber under development—the Z Bombers Project—which was to be capable of reaching the North American west coast.
Okay, Japan successfully miniaturized D-Day, needing only seven submarines instead of 5,000+ ships. Awesome.
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08-07-2017, 01:48 PM
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(08-07-2017 10:43 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Okay, Japan successfully miniaturized D-Day, needing only seven submarines instead of 5,000+ ships. Awesome.
If they had tried to get a sizable fleet across the Pacific Ocean, it would have been a complete disaster for them. They would have lost the war much quicker. Their best bet was island hopping through Asia.
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08-07-2017, 02:37 PM
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(08-07-2017 01:48 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(08-07-2017 10:43 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Okay, Japan successfully miniaturized D-Day, needing only seven submarines instead of 5,000+ ships. Awesome.
If they had tried to get a sizable fleet across the Pacific Ocean, it would have been a complete disaster for them. They would have lost the war much quicker. Their best bet was island hopping through Asia.
Make up your mind. Better yet, know what you're talking about and then go ahead and shut up away. It was the Allies that did the island hopping, not the Kaigun.
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