What Is Your Viewpoint on Gender and Gender Identity?
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11-12-2016, 01:32 PM
RE: What Is Your Viewpoint on Gender and Gender Identity?
(10-12-2016 11:30 PM)ViolexTV Wrote:  "Gender" is an expression of how a person perceives themselves & how we perceive others in terms of masculinity/femininity/androgyny. "Sex" is how we characterize people based on physical characteristics like anatomy, hormone levels, chromosomes. Most people fit into categories of "male" and "female" as we define them. Lots of people, however, do not. And I feel they have just as much of a right to define how they identify gender-wise as anyone else.

^This. I was gonna type something up but I'd basically just be repeating what was said here.

As far as "learning all the different terms" goes, I see it as a non-issue. You don't need to down all the different terminology in one big gulp to be decent and supportive to nonbinary people. I tend to just learn as I go. If I was to meet someone who identifies as something I hadn't heard of, and they expressed unhappiness at the terms I initially used, I would ask them how they want me to refer to them/what pronouns they want me to use and move on. Being uninformed is hugely different from being intentionally offensive, especially with LGBTQ+ issues since they are quite new to some people.

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11-12-2016, 01:41 PM
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(10-12-2016 09:48 PM)Larai19 Wrote:  Do you believe there are more than two genders or do you think about gender as a strict biological concept? Do you believe that there is a reason for having various identities or do you really not care about any of it? Just curious to hear some opinions. Smile

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11-12-2016, 02:11 PM
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I think gender is non-existent. It was a term coined by some old pervert in the 1960's who used a failed experiment to push his political agenda. You are born male or female, that is it for mammals. No mammal is a hermaphrodite or even has any hermaphrodites, as no mammal can get pregnant and get anyone pregnant at the same time. People tend to forget male and female have evolved in animals as a means of reproduction. What comes of said male in females depends on the species. So no, being a masculine woman doesn't make you a man and being a feminine man doesn't make you a woman. No where in our million years of evolution has the ability been forged. And no where in evolution has any mammal been able to change it's sex at will. The only thing I agree with when it comes to this gender crap is that those who are called trans-gendered deserve to have rights and to be treated as people.

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11-12-2016, 02:50 PM (This post was last modified: 11-12-2016 02:56 PM by dancefortwo.)
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(11-12-2016 02:11 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I think gender is non-existent. It was a term coined by some old pervert in the 1960's who used a failed experiment to push his political agenda. You are born male or female, that is it for mammals. No mammal is a hermaphrodite or even has any hermaphrodites, as no mammal can get pregnant and get anyone pregnant at the same time. People tend to forget male and female have evolved in animals as a means of reproduction. What comes of said male in females depends on the species. So no, being a masculine woman doesn't make you a man and being a feminine man doesn't make you a woman. No where in our million years of evolution has the ability been forged. And no where in evolution has any mammal been able to change it's sex at will. The only thing I agree with when it comes to this gender crap is that those who are called trans-gendered deserve to have rights and to be treated as people.

Nature throws all kinds of variety. There are women born without a vigina. That's right. They have no vigina. It's called Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrome.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/02/this-woman...y-6297852/

There are men born with ovaries however they have a penis. Women are born with undescended testes. There are babies born with ambiguous genitals and it's not all that uncommon. It's called intersex.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-condi...n-20026345

And then there is the brain. There is a difference between the amount of gray and white area of the male and female brain differs. Everything science knows about the the brain indicates that the transgender brain resembles the opposite genders brain in some key areas.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

There are many more studies of the transgender brain.

http://aebrain.blogspot.com.au/p/transse...ntity.html

Edit: more stuff in being intersex.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/...s-a-woman/

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11-12-2016, 03:16 PM
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(11-12-2016 02:50 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 02:11 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I think gender is non-existent. It was a term coined by some old pervert in the 1960's who used a failed experiment to push his political agenda. You are born male or female, that is it for mammals. No mammal is a hermaphrodite or even has any hermaphrodites, as no mammal can get pregnant and get anyone pregnant at the same time. People tend to forget male and female have evolved in animals as a means of reproduction. What comes of said male in females depends on the species. So no, being a masculine woman doesn't make you a man and being a feminine man doesn't make you a woman. No where in our million years of evolution has the ability been forged. And no where in evolution has any mammal been able to change it's sex at will. The only thing I agree with when it comes to this gender crap is that those who are called trans-gendered deserve to have rights and to be treated as people.

Nature throws all kinds of variety. There are women born without a vigina. That's right. They have no vigina. It's called Mayer-Rokitansky-Küster-Hauser syndrome.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/02/this-woman...y-6297852/

There are men born with ovaries however they have a penis. Women are born with undescended testes. There are babies born with ambiguous genitals and it's not all that uncommon. It's called intersex.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-condi...n-20026345

And then there is the brain. There is a difference between the amount of gray and white area of the male and female brain differs. Everything science knows about the the brain indicates that the transgender brain resembles the opposite genders brain in some key areas.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803

There are many more studies of the transgender brain.

http://aebrain.blogspot.com.au/p/transse...ntity.html

Edit: more stuff in being intersex.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/...s-a-woman/

I know about intersex, it is a poor argument. First to mention all these cases are rare, really rare, like 0.1% rare, and yet even they are only either male or female. Let us use your intersex examples shall we.


Source 1. The woma despite having no vigina can still get pregnant. She has overies xx chromosomes, a uterus and all female parts but the vigina. She is still a woman. She still falls into only male or female.

Source 2. Despite that children with ambiguous genitalia still have the normal chromosomes for men and women. That alone give us indication that these people are only either male or female.

Now on the brain thing. I know males and females have brains that differ, but an atypical brain for a male doesn't make him a woman, but a man with an atypical brain.I know about this and as i said before see nothing wrong with trans people.

Source 3. Come on the source talks about how they were able to find out she was a female. She was always a female, but the evidence is now there to show it.(like how life evolved without humans noticing till now.)

Again, i don't hate intersex or trans people, but there is only male and female, even within intersex, and intersex people make up very little of the human population.

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11-12-2016, 03:27 PM
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I just want to point out that you're both spelling vagina as vigina. Big Grin
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11-12-2016, 03:34 PM
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(11-12-2016 03:27 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  I just want to point out that you're both spelling vagina as vigina. Big Grin

I have a reason, my kindle has a japanese keyboard, so typing english is hard.

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11-12-2016, 03:39 PM
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11-12-2016, 03:52 PM
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(11-12-2016 03:34 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 03:27 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  I just want to point out that you're both spelling vagina as vigina. Big Grin

I have a reason, my kindle has a japanese keyboard, so typing english is hard.

Such a weeb.
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11-12-2016, 03:54 PM
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(11-12-2016 03:52 PM)Gilgamesh Wrote:  
(11-12-2016 03:34 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  I have a reason, my kindle has a japanese keyboard, so typing english is hard.

Such a weeb.

Is it strange I want to move to Japan, yet I don't like anime?

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