What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
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01-11-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:04 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Now go get a source to back you... why do you have to continually be told? You have none?


(31-10-2014 04:41 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  Emotion as a continuous pattern of neuromodulation

The Neuromodulatory Basis of Emotion, Jean-Marc Fellous,, The neuroscientist, volume 5, number = 5, pages = 283-294,


Debate as to whether dopamine is used as a reinforcement signal or as a preparatory 'Go' signal or to set the learning threshold in the Basal Ganglia.

The Brain and Emotion, Edmund T. Rolls, 1999, 0-19-852463-3, Oxford University Press.


Dopamine, seratonin, noradrenaline and acetylcholine theorised about with regard to reinforcement.

Metalearning, Neuromodulation, and Emotion, Kenji Doya, 2000, 101-104, Affective Minds, Elsevier Science Ltd.,

Metalearning and Neuromodulation, Kenji Doy, Neural Networks, volume 15, number 4, 495-506,
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01-11-2014, 11:14 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:08 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 11:02 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  I DID tell you... they were pictures of lovers which provoked the immediate response. The pics of the other people shown them produced nothing... the emotion or feeling of the pics of the lovers were what caused the reactions... none others. You don't "feel" anything when looking at pics of someone youre infatuated with? These people did and I imagine you would too Wink

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What do you think people's disagreements with your take on this even are? You act like you're wining some argument by the fact that the people they love gave a response opposed to people they don't love.

In no place in your article does it say chemical reactions happened AFTER. Feelings you feel from the picture response are the same as chemical reactions, they are one in the same.

I did tell you that you should read it before tryig to argue it Wink

Here ya go:

Quote:http://www.mcmanweb.com/love_lust.html

This is the part of the brain where dopamine cells project into other areas of the brain, including the posterior dorsal caudate and its tail, both which are central to the brain’s system for reward and motivation. The sweetheart photos, but not the acquaintance photos, WERE THE CAUSE.

The photos were therefore the cause of the chemical reaction... period.

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01-11-2014, 11:16 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:14 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  The photos were therefore the cause of the chemical reaction... period.

Sorry to over quote some one else to whom you're replying to but, my question still stands in relation to this.

HOW? What is the mechanism for the pictures to do such a thing?

Much cheers to all.
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01-11-2014, 11:17 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:09 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  Emotion as a continuous pattern of neuromodulation

The Neuromodulatory Basis of Emotion, Jean-Marc Fellous,, The neuroscientist, volume 5, number = 5, pages = 283-294,

Debate as to whether dopamine is used as a reinforcement signal or as a preparatory 'Go' signal or to set the learning threshold in the Basal Ganglia.

The Brain and Emotion, Edmund T. Rolls, 1999, 0-19-852463-3, Oxford University Press.

Dopamine, seratonin, noradrenaline and acetylcholine theorised about with regard to reinforcement.

Metalearning, Neuromodulation, and Emotion, Kenji Doya, 2000, 101-104, Affective Minds, Elsevier Science Ltd.,

Metalearning and Neuromodulation, Kenji Doy, Neural Networks, volume 15, number 4, 495-506,

Yes those back me too... you cant provide any quotes from there that debunk anything I'm stating.

If you disagree, post them because nothing you've posted thus far does. And the word "reinforcement" youre using in your post, only goes to show the feeling was there and the chemical reaction "reinforced it"... you cant reinforce something that's not there. Wink
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01-11-2014, 11:18 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 10:24 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  Underground I would like to personally thank you for such profound participation in this thread, and all the valuable information you've seen fit to add Smile And then calling ME a troll Smile

But... THAT TOO was YOUR choice wasn't it Wink

So when do YOU NOT have a choice? How do your choices NOT define you?

But also... and more importantly to the topic, did the feeling to spam result from your post, or was your post the result of a feeling? Smile

Thank you Smile

You do realize that your participation in the thread has been less than my participation in that single post?

I've explained what defines a person and that it is not merely his choices. But hey, what a surprise, you ignored that too.

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01-11-2014, 11:19 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:14 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  The photos were therefore the cause of the chemical reaction... period.

Yes, that's what has been said of this case.

Taking in sensation(the viewing of the pictures) activates chemical reactions in the brain.

"Allow there to be a spectrum in all that you see" - Neil Degrasse Tyson
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01-11-2014, 11:19 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:17 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  And the word "reinforcement" youre using in your post, only goes to show the feeling was there and the chemical reaction "reinforced it"... you cant reinforce something that's not there.


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My work here is done in truly discrediting you.
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01-11-2014, 11:22 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:16 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 11:14 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  The photos were therefore the cause of the chemical reaction... period.

Sorry to over quote some one else to whom you're replying to but, my question still stands in relation to this.

HOW? What is the mechanism for the pictures to do such a thing?

Much cheers to all.

I don't claim to know "HOW", Iv only gone to prove that it did. You have to deal with the fact that the study itself, in the very quote I provided for you, says plainly that the pics WERE THE CAUSE of the chemical reaction. You can ask them "how".

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01-11-2014, 11:25 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:19 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 11:17 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  And the word "reinforcement" youre using in your post, only goes to show the feeling was there and the chemical reaction "reinforced it"... you cant reinforce something that's not there.


Facepalm

My work here is done in truly discrediting you.

Yes of course you have lol Tongue... not a single quote to back you, only your opinion (and evidently an uneducated one in this regard), and despite scientific study posted right under your nose, stating you are wrong Smile

Have a good day Smile

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01-11-2014, 11:29 AM
RE: What are "feelings" and "emotion"?
(01-11-2014 11:19 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(01-11-2014 11:14 AM)Wolfbitn Wrote:  The photos were therefore the cause of the chemical reaction... period.

Yes, that's what has been said of this case.

Taking in sensation(the viewing of the pictures) activates chemical reactions in the brain.

ONLY with the pics of the lovers... the others produced nothing. Yes there is a feeling associated with most lovers, in case you might not be aware Smile

Its right there in black and white. It is scientific finding... observance. The pics only of the lovers produced these reactions.

So no one has anything credible to debunk this source?

No?
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