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01-03-2015, 05:07 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(01-03-2015 04:55 PM)Blackout Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 01:37 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Any one who sticks to any "ism" is bound to be disappointed. Humanity is too fucked up for that.

The only possibility is an -ism that will unite us all regardless of our differences. This is my opinion.

Is there one like that?

If not, why not invent one.

I thought of 'harmonism', looked it up, found this, gave up.

Your turn.

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01-03-2015, 05:12 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
ummm.. Atheism??

works for me....

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01-03-2015, 05:19 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Good idea in theory, if you ignore human nature. Doesn't succeed because human psychology doesn't work that way.

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01-03-2015, 06:05 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(01-03-2015 11:37 AM)rezider Wrote:  Hello,

I'm not a veteran in this forum, so I might be classified as a crazy person for immediately starting off with a topic this fragile.

My question is: what are your thoughts on communism; how do you view it politically and philosophically?

NOTE:
Try to be objective. There are a lot of subjective topics concerning this and I don't want to turn the thread into a warzone.

"Dictatorship of the Proletariat". When has this ever really occurred? Communism (which is very different than Socialism) is generally installed as an "interim" system (which promises to move aside once the populace is re-educated). It generally turns out to be very Authoritarian and repressive of human rights and usually never gives up the power that has become entrenched in the governing body.

Kind of like a secular theocracy.

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01-03-2015, 06:08 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(01-03-2015 01:37 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  Any one who sticks to any "ism" is bound to be disappointed. Humanity is too fucked up for that.

I agree: there is far too much ism-itis around. And it usually ends up in forced over-generalizations.

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01-03-2015, 06:08 PM (This post was last modified: 01-03-2015 06:12 PM by Blackout.)
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Dictatorship of the proletariat never happened in practice, the USSR was socialist but not communist. Marx didn't defend a single party system.

Socialism is anti-capitalist but not necessarily pro-communism. A socialist can envision his ideology as the ultimate goal or as a means to achieve communism. Those are the only two definitions of socialism that exist to date (I'm excluding National-Socialism from Adolf Hitler). The USSR had strong socialistic traits and structures, but it was never communist to begin with. Despite the name, the dictatorship of the proletariat isn't literally a dictatorship or single party system, it is based on the will of the working class. This is all theory, of course

Quote:Good idea in theory, if you ignore human nature. Doesn't succeed because human psychology doesn't work that way.
Good idea in practice as long as people don't have the opportunity to refuse the -ism.

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01-03-2015, 06:11 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(01-03-2015 06:05 PM)666wannabe Wrote:  
(01-03-2015 11:37 AM)rezider Wrote:  Hello,

I'm not a veteran in this forum, so I might be classified as a crazy person for immediately starting off with a topic this fragile.

My question is: what are your thoughts on communism; how do you view it politically and philosophically?

NOTE:
Try to be objective. There are a lot of subjective topics concerning this and I don't want to turn the thread into a warzone.

"Dictatorship of the Proletariat". When has this ever really occurred? Communism (which is very different than Socialism) is generally installed as an "interim" system (which promises to move aside once the populace is re-educated). It generally turns out to be very Authoritarian and repressive of human rights and usually never gives up the power that has become entrenched in the governing body.

Kind of like a secular theocracy.

What is "secular theocracy"? Consider

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01-03-2015, 06:13 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
I think she/he meant secular theocracy because communism was anti-religion (it still is) but authoritarian socialist states were based on the "worship" of an ideology and that resembles religion a little, hence the theocracy denomination... Correct me if I'm wrong

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01-03-2015, 06:41 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
In theory it could work. However, I don't really think any nation has ever adopted a real communist practice. Russia, cambodia and others have all deviated from it in some major way.

RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.

PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

Than again, it could not work if your country does not have enough money and has too many people. It could be an ideal government for smaller countries but horrible for larger ones; or not. Communism is not a threat, dangerous dictators are!


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01-03-2015, 06:55 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(01-03-2015 06:41 PM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  In theory it could work.

Human nature doesn't work that way. People will always want more. Hell, some want to be worshiped as gods. Doesn't that tell you something? Humans are never satisfied with what they have because the grass is always greener elsewhere.

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