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11-03-2015, 09:15 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
My thoughts on any "ism" is that they are all excuses to form social order and all of them fail to take into account we are not a separate species.

Any aspect of life, be it political party, economic views, business models, and religion, can become abusive without checks. I don't value what Stalin did. I also don't value Cuba which formed from Che's ideas. I also don't like Ayn Rand "fuck you I got mine" economics.

The chase for a one label solution to a diverse species is absurd. We are a social species, we are also diverse, so the more civil governments allow for those differences. What is important is checks on power so that no one aspect of a society can gain a monopoly of power. I think economic stability is about the difference between the top and bottom. If you argue "isms" you are simply allowing a shift of a monopoly of wealth from one aspect of a society to another. Our corporate plutocracy really is the same type of monopoly that a one party state can have. One is wealth controlled by the private sector, the other is wealth controlled by a political party, but both are monopolies.

We need to stop arguing about "capitalism" being good or bad because every government invests in the global market. Gaddaffi was a billionaire who owned stock in GE. The Saudi Royal family owns oil companies, banks and invests in weapons. China's communist party makes money selling cheap crap to the rest of the world.

Instead of arguing "isms" we should be arguing for economic stability for more and reduce poverty. The private sector will not go away on a planet of 7 billion. But it certainly can be as abusive as theocratic fascism or state fascism.

Anti monopoly and anti trust concepts for all aspects of society are what allow for diversity. I do hate how demonized the word "socialism" has been. We have that already in the form of social security and medicare. Lawmaking itself is a form of socializing. It is a flat out like that the rich don't like socialism, they do. The love socializing the profits when they benefit, and socializing the losses on the tax payers when they fuck up.

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14-03-2015, 09:57 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Communism: Good in theory. Bad in practice.

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14-03-2015, 12:07 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(14-03-2015 09:57 AM)Αθεία Αμβρόσιος Wrote:  Communism: Good in theory. Bad in practice.

Humanity corrupts the perfection of ideas.

I would disagree it is even good in theory.

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14-03-2015, 01:11 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(14-03-2015 12:07 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 09:57 AM)Αθεία Αμβρόσιος Wrote:  Communism: Good in theory. Bad in practice.

Humanity corrupts the perfection of ideas.

I would disagree it is even good in theory.

Perhaps I misinterpret communism. Total equality between everybody sounds pretty good. Although if we're all equally poor and starving, that helps nothing.

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14-03-2015, 04:19 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(14-03-2015 01:11 PM)Αθεία Αμβρόσιος Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 12:07 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  I would disagree it is even good in theory.

Perhaps I misinterpret communism. Total equality between everybody sounds pretty good. Although if we're all equally poor and starving, that helps nothing.

Would you say that everyone are equal though?
Does the doctor that spends 5 years of hard medical school deserve to get paid the same as the ex-con high school drop out who sweeps the sidewalk late at night?

How is that fair on the doctor?

Or, does someone that's worked in a job a long time deserve to be on the same starting pay rate the whole time, the same pay rate as that person that only just started last week?

And than how do you deal with investors. They take on risk in return for higher reward, why would they bother investing if they got so little out of it/nothing?


Communism is stupid. The only people who want it are jealous idiotic fucktards.

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14-03-2015, 06:34 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(14-03-2015 04:19 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 01:11 PM)Αθεία Αμβρόσιος Wrote:  Perhaps I misinterpret communism. Total equality between everybody sounds pretty good. Although if we're all equally poor and starving, that helps nothing.

Would you say that everyone are equal though?
Does the doctor that spends 5 years of hard medical school deserve to get paid the same as the ex-con high school drop out who sweeps the sidewalk late at night?

How is that fair on the doctor?

Or, does someone that's worked in a job a long time deserve to be on the same starting pay rate the whole time, the same pay rate as that person that only just started last week?

And than how do you deal with investors. They take on risk in return for higher reward, why would they bother investing if they got so little out of it/nothing?


Communism is stupid. The only people who want it are jealous idiotic fucktards.
I'm a little busy to give a full reply right now but if you want to criticize communism at least read the manifesto and inform yourself. There's nothing in marxism that proposes everyone getting the same reward, quite the contrary.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - This means that everyone's needs are satisfied but according to your ability extra rewards will be based on merit.

Educate yourself and criticize commies, but not with straw communism

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14-03-2015, 10:08 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(14-03-2015 06:34 PM)Blackout Wrote:  
(14-03-2015 04:19 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Would you say that everyone are equal though?
Does the doctor that spends 5 years of hard medical school deserve to get paid the same as the ex-con high school drop out who sweeps the sidewalk late at night?

How is that fair on the doctor?

Or, does someone that's worked in a job a long time deserve to be on the same starting pay rate the whole time, the same pay rate as that person that only just started last week?

And than how do you deal with investors. They take on risk in return for higher reward, why would they bother investing if they got so little out of it/nothing?


Communism is stupid. The only people who want it are jealous idiotic fucktards.
I'm a little busy to give a full reply right now but if you want to criticize communism at least read the manifesto and inform yourself. There's nothing in marxism that proposes everyone getting the same reward, quite the contrary.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - This means that everyone's needs are satisfied but according to your ability extra rewards will be based on merit.

Educate yourself and criticize commies, but not with straw communism

Dunning Kruger sucks


Been there done that communism is a pipe dream based on wishes and not any kind of reality. Not even good on paper when you think about it for more than a minute.

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15-03-2015, 10:03 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Quote:Been there done that communism is a pipe dream based on wishes and not any kind of reality. Not even good on paper when you think about it for more than a minute.
Every ideology is good on paper, that's the whole purpose of writing it down. I'm not defending communism, I am saying people criticize for the wrong reasons. For example, never did Marx say that everyone would be rewarded exactly the same and earn the same salary, the only thing that would happen would be abolition of social classes. If you criticize communism because "everyone gets the same" you are criticizing it for the wrong reasons...

Quote:Capitalism is really good at one thing; generating profits.

The next sensible question is; what are we comfortable with being profit driven?
Why not both? are you proposing communism + capitalism? Because it is logically impossible for a pro-profit system to coexist with a system that is completely anti-capitalism. There is no in between, either you pick capitalism or socialism. You may be proposing social democracy, basically reforming capitalism away from oppression - That's a wholesome different ideology but it's still capitalist in its root

The last questions is entirely subjective. Some people will prefer that some sectors are profit driven and others will not
Quote:Should health-care be profit driven? Should the police, prisons, fire-departments, hospitals, and EMT's be profit driven? Should the military be profit driven? Should essential utilities and infrastructure be profit driven? Should the government itself be profit driven?
Health care should have a private sector along with a public sector. The former would be profit driven and the latter would be driven according to the principle of human dignity and the right to healthcare.

Quote:The internet is a great field for innovation, but should ISP's be allowed to monopolize access to it? Is it now fundamentally important enough that it should be more heavily regulated, if not brought into the public sector (where, ironically enough, it started as DARPAnet), in order to guarantee reliable maintenance and affordable access to it?
Yes, the internet is already an essential public good. Some constitutions like Iceland's already have the right to internet access as a principle (similar to free speech or free enterprise, etc.)
Quote:Capitalism is great at innovating, so long as there is a profit to be gained. How much do we want to sacrifice at the altar of progress and innovation in the name of profit?
You tell me.
Quote:I'd like to think that the purpose of government is to provide for the governed, and it should always operate with their best interest at heart. Government can, and I'd argue should, be used to control capitalism through regulation. Be it safety standards for workers or consumer protection laws, or incentivising things that will benefit society but otherwise wouldn't see capitalist involvement because of a lack of profit potential (like green energy and wildlife protection).
I agree, but that's not a mix between communism and capitalism, it's still a capitalist system with limitations

Quote:So do you agree 100% with the definition posted by DLJ?
DLJ posted an online dictionary definition that is, by consequence, incomplete. Meritocracy means that the most skilled individuals will advance in society and occupy positions of power, and everyone will maximize their skills and execute a certain job that is more appropriate. It also means that non capable individuals shouldn't be in positions of power. I don't agree with 100% of meritocratic theory because in some parts it dwells into eugenics.

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15-03-2015, 10:51 AM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2015 11:49 AM by rezider.)
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 10:03 AM)Blackout Wrote:  Every ideology is good on paper, that's the whole purpose of writing it down. I'm not defending communism, I am saying people criticize for the wrong reasons.

Fully agree!

Ideologies are simply ideas. There are no such things as bad ideologies or good ideologies, they [ideologies] just are. The way we use or abuse them is a completely different topic and it is no argument for or against something. Like I previously said: if there are people who can come up with such concepts, there are also people willing to follow them.

Communism is a socioeconomic system with the absence of social classes. It says nothing about equality. It is structured upon the common ownership of the means of production, yes, but that doesn't imply equality in that sense of the word.

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15-03-2015, 11:32 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 10:03 AM)Blackout Wrote:  DLJ posted an online dictionary definition that is, by consequence, incomplete. Meritocracy means that the most skilled individuals will advance in society and occupy positions of power, and everyone will maximize their skills and execute a certain job that is more appropriate. It also means that non capable individuals shouldn't be in positions of power. I don't agree with 100% of meritocratic theory because in some parts it dwells into eugenics.

Then how about you don't describe yourself as a meritocrat and instead explain your views with more than one word that you don't even agree with in the first place? Dodgy

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