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15-03-2015, 04:31 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
So when the quote says "to each according to his ability" what does it mean, in your perspective? Unless you believe everyone has the same exact abilities then you acknowledge not everyone is equal in practice.

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15-03-2015, 04:36 PM (This post was last modified: 15-03-2015 04:39 PM by Chas.)
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 04:31 PM)Blackout Wrote:  So when the quote says "to each according to his ability" what does it mean, in your perspective? Unless you believe everyone has the same exact abilities then you acknowledge not everyone is equal in practice.

It is 'from each according to his ability".

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

It means everyone contributes what they can, and they receive what they need. There is no meritocracy.

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15-03-2015, 04:42 PM
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I never argued meritocracy in communism, both are incompatible. I argued for meritocracy because it opposes communism.

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15-03-2015, 04:46 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 04:42 PM)Blackout Wrote:  I never argued meritocracy in communism, both are incompatible. I argued for meritocracy because it opposes communism.

Then I misunderstood you. My bad.

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15-03-2015, 05:20 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Quote:"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - This means that everyone's needs are satisfied but according to your ability extra rewards will be based on merit.

No it doesn't.
It says that people will want to work for the good of society and so will develop new skills because they want too. ie: People will become accountants because they want too (lol yea mmk).
It doesn't say anything about "extra reward" at all.

Karl Marx was in favor of a strong heavily progressive income tax. He believed that this would be needed at the start (after the revolution during the socialist road to pure communism). In pure communism (which is what we're talking about, not the socialist road towards communism) everyone would have the same wage.
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15-03-2015, 05:21 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Communism can be classified as a branch of the broader socialist movement. It refers to a variety of political movements which claim communism as their ultimate goal.

It has never been implemented, so trying to say that communism doesn't work because this guy did this and this guy did that is simply silly.

Let's put it on a smaller scale:
We've got 4 guys living on a piece of land. The first thing they do is start planting crops and raising animals for food.
The first guy says: "You know what, we need shelter and I'm an architect. If you guys help with my portion of the food, then I will build and maintain everyone's shelters."
The second guy says: "I'm a doctor, so I'll take care of everyone if they get sick or injured."
The third guy says: "I'm an engineer. How about I make some kind of irrigation system for our crops to make your farming more efficient?"
And finally the fourth guy says: "Well, I'm pretty much a genius. I know a lot about maths and science and various other subjects. How about I teach everyone these things?"
Now you have a community where everyone has food, shelter, healthcare, technology, and education. There is no money, no state, and no man is above the other. A person's value is not based on how much money they have, but based what they can contribute to society. This is the sort of equality communism strives for. This is the true communist ideal.

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15-03-2015, 05:30 PM
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(15-03-2015 05:20 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - This means that everyone's needs are satisfied but according to your ability extra rewards will be based on merit.

No it doesn't.
It says that people will want to work for the good of society and so will develop new skills because they want too. ie: People will become accountants because they want too (lol yea mmk).
It doesn't say anything about "extra reward" at all.

Karl Marx was in favor of a strong heavily progressive income tax. He believed that this would be needed at the start (after the revolution during the socialist road to pure communism). In pure communism (which is what we're talking about, not the socialist road towards communism) everyone would have the same wage.

Yes, I would have to agree.

The first and only (for now) communistic societies were the hunter-gatherer societies which were traditionally based on egalitarian social relations and common ownership. Societies with primitive communism had no hierarchical social class structures or capital accumulation.

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15-03-2015, 05:40 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 05:20 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  
Quote:"From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" - This means that everyone's needs are satisfied but according to your ability extra rewards will be based on merit.

No it doesn't.
It says that people will want to work for the good of society and so will develop new skills because they want too. ie: People will become accountants because they want too (lol yea mmk).
It doesn't say anything about "extra reward" at all.

Karl Marx was in favor of a strong heavily progressive income tax. He believed that this would be needed at the start (after the revolution during the socialist road to pure communism). In pure communism (which is what we're talking about, not the socialist road towards communism) everyone would have the same wage.

Actually that's wrong, there would be no money or wages. And people develop skills, everyone has different skills, therefore there is no equality - The difference is that there's no upper or lower social class.

I think the revolution is only achievable trough the sword

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15-03-2015, 05:48 PM
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(15-03-2015 05:40 PM)Blackout Wrote:  
(15-03-2015 05:20 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  No it doesn't.
It says that people will want to work for the good of society and so will develop new skills because they want too. ie: People will become accountants because they want too (lol yea mmk).
It doesn't say anything about "extra reward" at all.

Karl Marx was in favor of a strong heavily progressive income tax. He believed that this would be needed at the start (after the revolution during the socialist road to pure communism). In pure communism (which is what we're talking about, not the socialist road towards communism) everyone would have the same wage.

Actually that's wrong, there would be no money or wages. And people develop skills, everyone has different skills, therefore there is no equality - The difference is that there's no upper or lower social class.

I think the revolution is only achievable trough the sword

I worded it badly, I didn't mean wage I meant everyone would get the same shit.
There would be no money or wages because everything would be like an Oprah Christmas special.

And we're not talking about the same equality. Of course not everyone is going to be a clone of everyone. I'm white, you're black (or not just making a point), he's Asian, she's Latino etc.. But there would be "wage" equality which is the equality I am talking about which I am saying is bad and stupid.
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15-03-2015, 05:53 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(15-03-2015 05:40 PM)Blackout Wrote:  
(15-03-2015 05:20 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  No it doesn't.
It says that people will want to work for the good of society and so will develop new skills because they want too. ie: People will become accountants because they want too (lol yea mmk).
It doesn't say anything about "extra reward" at all.

Karl Marx was in favor of a strong heavily progressive income tax. He believed that this would be needed at the start (after the revolution during the socialist road to pure communism). In pure communism (which is what we're talking about, not the socialist road towards communism) everyone would have the same wage.

Actually that's wrong, there would be no money or wages. And people develop skills, everyone has different skills, therefore there is no equality - The difference is that there's no upper or lower social class.

I think the revolution is only achievable trough the sword

I don't think he meant it in that way. Bad wording.

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