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16-03-2015, 09:49 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Communist economists have had decades to point out that the Capitalist economists have been ignoring the depreciation of durable consumer goods. They have not said anything so they must be at least as stupid as the Capitalist economists.

There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995. At $1,500 in depreciation per car per year that would be $300,000,000,000 per year. A bit much for economists to ignore. How much have American consumers lost on cars since 1969 when engineers could put men on the Moon? That does not count air conditioners, refrigerators, TVs, etc.

So how much depreciation can be attributed to Planned Obsolescence?

Euro-economic theory is crap since the dominance of technology in the 20th century. Marx died in 1883. What kind of car did he drive?

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16-03-2015, 10:06 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
(16-03-2015 09:49 AM)psikeyhackr Wrote:  Communist economists have had decades to point out that the Capitalist economists have been ignoring the depreciation of durable consumer goods. They have not said anything so they must be at least as stupid as the Capitalist economists.

There were 200,000,000 cars in the US in 1995. At $1,500 in depreciation per car per year that would be $300,000,000,000 per year. A bit much for economists to ignore. How much have American consumers lost on cars since 1969 when engineers could put men on the Moon? That does not count air conditioners, refrigerators, TVs, etc.

So how much depreciation can be attributed to Planned Obsolescence?

Euro-economic theory is crap since the dominance of technology in the 20th century. Marx died in 1883. What kind of car did he drive?

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The purchasing power represented by that money doesn't vanish into thin air, it simply trades hands. Whether you repair your vehicle or buy a new one, money passes from one person or business to another. And when that car does lose enough value that it is simply discarded as scrap, most of the materials used to produce it, notably the steel, is able to be recycled. Therefore, very little is lost in regards to currency or resources on vehicle depreciation. The value of our currency adapts around our desire to all have vehicles that lose value. The purchasing power wasted on things that can't be reused and don't feed the local economies, such as imported energy sources, is more relevant.

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16-03-2015, 01:14 PM
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(16-03-2015 10:06 AM)yakherder Wrote:  The purchasing power represented by that money doesn't vanish into thin air, it simply trades hands. Whether you repair your vehicle or buy a new one, money passes from one person or business to another. And when that car does lose enough value that it is simply discarded as scrap, most of the materials used to produce it, notably the steel, is able to be recycled. Therefore, very little is lost in regards to currency or resources on vehicle depreciation. The value of our currency adapts around our desire to all have vehicles that lose value. The purchasing power wasted on things that can't be reused and don't feed the local economies, such as imported energy sources, is more relevant.

And the purchasing power of money has WHAT to do with depreciation?

That is the funny thing about how we are indoctrinated to think about economics. As though MONEY is WEALTH.

Money is just an abstraction. A convenient medium of exchange. But people get all emotional about MONEY! The Laws of Physics do not give a damn. Machines wear out whether we call them Capitalist machines, Communist machines or Consumer machines makes no difference to the physics.

But our brilliant economists subtract the Depreciation of Capital goods while ignoring the Depreciation of Durable Consumer goods in computing the NET Domestic Product.

But then almost all they ever talk about is GDP while making no mention of NDP.

http://www.spectacle.org/1199/wargame.html

Capitalism runs on defective algebra.

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17-03-2015, 11:04 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
Communism as it has transpired in the real world is Fascism in that it is totalitarian. Religion is the same. Both have Big Daddy leaders who can't be questioned.
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17-03-2015, 08:36 PM
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(17-03-2015 11:04 AM)Kitson Wrote:  Communism as it has transpired in the real world is Fascism in that it is totalitarian. Religion is the same. Both have Big Daddy leaders who can't be questioned.

You should read:

The Tyranny of Words (1938) by Stuart Chase
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9H1StY1nU8
http://archiv.zeitgeistmovement-frankfur...0Words.pdf

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22-03-2015, 08:17 AM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
I used to think it was a great idea. Now not so much. I still think Marx is definitely worth reading, and had a lot of good things to say, but communism is an unworkable system. I would say I am anti-communist now.

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22-03-2015, 08:51 AM
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I own a piece of the Berlin wall that I stole by chipping it out on a visit to Berlin.

That summarises my thoughts on communism.... and most other relics of history.

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25-03-2015, 12:55 PM
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I'm not a fan of communism, but that partially because I would be directly harmed by it. I am an engineering student, and I have three job offers on my table that are all significantly more than the average per capita income for this country. My skills are such that I am able to sell them and get nicer shit than if I was a walmart greeter or janitor or whatever. And I think that's fair. I have invested a great deal of time and effort to gain these skills. But my needs are modest. I don't have or want kids. I am healthy. I could keep myself fairly comfortable on the wage of a maid or pump jockey. Why should I not? If my "needs" are met why should I bother spending years of my life gaining skills in order to have a job that is more demanding and harder to do?

Yes, I do love my chosen profession. However I would be content with a job that required less effort and allowed me more free time. I would get to spend more time hiking, camping, hunting, exploring. I chose my profession not just because I love it, but because it would allow me a good standard of living.
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25-03-2015, 04:18 PM
RE: What are your thoughts on communism?
With blatant disregard for the ethics of posting, I've only scanned the 87 earlier replies and I'll jump right into my answer:

The question is flawed because "Communism" is such a highly-charged word that people from different political perspectives have very different notions of what it means. As Marx and Engels conceived it, communism is an economic system in which all necessary goods are shared according to need and all work is shared according to ability, and there is no government because the state has "withered away." Everyone does what is right voluntarily because humankind has evolved to be selfless.

Clearly, this is a utopian vision. Only a misanthrope would argue that such a society would not be ideal. And only a person blind to human nature would argue that it is possible.

So, my opinion: Communism is an impossible dream of a perfect society.

Note: The former Soviet Union never claimed to be communist. It claimed to be a socialist state in the process of evolving toward eventual communism. This claim was preposterous, but is the root of the popular habit of calling the USSR "communist." The USSR was ruled by a political party that called itself the Communist Party because it claimed to have communism as its goal. Marx and Engels advocated as an interim system between capitalism and communism, a socialist system in which the workers would govern. In the USSR the Communist Party governed, and it justified this by asserting that it ruled in the name of the workers and for the benefit of the workers. This, too, was a preposterous claim, since the party officials who ran the country ran it for their own benefit, as do the ruling officials of every nation on Earth. In this respect, the USSR was governed pretty much as all other countries are, with this difference: In Capitalist nations, the ultra-wealthy and the big corporations determine the outcome of elections by funding their preferred candidates, and maintain the illusion of democracy by simultaneously funding separate opposing candidates, so whichever one wins, the same elite owns them. In the USSR, the Party functionaries select the candidates and pretend that their selection is done for the benefit of the workers. Two different scams, same outcome: The elite runs the country.

Pure Christianity and Pure communism differ only in that the former has a magic man in the sky and reward or punishment after you die.

The fall of the USSR was not a failure of communism, since the USSR never was communist. But I don't think communism ever could succeed because humans are not selfless.

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