What did the Hippies ever do for us?
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01-01-2015, 10:54 PM (This post was last modified: 02-01-2015 12:52 AM by freetoreason.)
RE: What did the Hippies ever do for us?
I see strong vestiges of that era in the current generation of students. Even in business school,the majority of today's students are looking for careers where they can make a positive contribution to the welfare of others. From speaking to them I know that they are inspired by the ideals of the sixties, but with a more practical approach that mostly works to reform the traditional institutions of business and government from within, rather than working in opposition to them.

Witness the emphasis on sustainability, and it's prominence in marketing campaigns. I'm currently working on the integration of sustainability, ethics, and social responsibility with traditional curricula. It's a beautiful thing, can you dig it? I have great hope for the next generation of leaders. It's getting better all the time!

They are not the I me mine generation that precedes them, and harken back to that earlier enlightened, if somewhat naive time...



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02-01-2015, 02:46 AM
RE: What did the Hippies ever do for us?
(01-01-2015 10:54 PM)freetoreason Wrote:  I see strong vestiges of that era in the current generation of students. Even in business school,the majority of today's students are looking for careers where they can make a positive contribution to the welfare of others.

This seems a good summary of the current situation. If new generations can improve on what we started, that would be good. Being more practical and down to earth would be a solid first step.

On the other hand....

While a practical evolutionary approach is more sensible than a drug fueled fantasy revolution, I fear we live in revolutionary times that will soon require a fundamental rethinking of some basic premises.

We probably need some of that willingness to shake things up that the hippies had, but this time led by more mature less frivolous young people, who aren't stoned all the time.

A shit storm is coming, and I fear the relative complacency of this era blinds us to it.

As just one example, the Wall Street collapse of 2007 could have literally and quickly led to the end of modern civilization. Evidence: The collapse of 1929 led to Hitler, WWII, the cold war, and nuclear weapons.

If the 2007 calamity had spun out of control, all of that could have come again, but this time much more quickly, and with much more lethal effect.

The young people of today have never seen any of this crap, so while they understand it intellectually, they are blind to it emotionally. Sadly, that blindness can be punctured in a single moment.

The challenge is to open ourselves emotionally to the coming shit storm, without being overwhelmed by those emotions.

Drugs fueled revolutionary thinking in the sixties. It may be pain that does it the next time.
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02-01-2015, 02:49 AM
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(01-01-2015 10:54 PM)freetoreason Wrote:  I see strong vestiges of that era in the current generation of students. Even in business school,the majority of today's students are looking for careers where they can make a positive contribution to the welfare of others. From speaking to them I know that they are inspired by the ideals of the sixties, but with a more practical approach that mostly works to reform the traditional institutions of business and government from within, rather than working in opposition to them.

Witness the emphasis on sustainability, and it's prominence in marketing campaigns. I'm currently working on the integration of sustainability, ethics, and social responsibility with traditional curricula. It's a beautiful thing, can you dig it? I have great hope for the next generation of leaders. It's getting better all the time!

They are not the I me mine generation that precedes them, and harken back to that earlier enlightened, if somewhat naive time...

My feeling exactly. In some sense, hippies never went away.

What else could explain Neil in "The Young Ones"?

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02-01-2015, 04:46 AM
RE: What did the Hippies ever do for us?
Somehow things always jump one generation, kids never want what their parents wanted. They tend to re-invent things in a way that they hope will shock their parents. (caution, this is a very wide generalization).

I see today's emerging generation, the age my grand kids would be, as extremely promising. It makes me happy to see them embracing gender equality, sexual orientations, color blindness, marihuana and atheism. To me, these are the things we worked for. That's what I worked for. Social reform.

I probably won't live to see it resolved. Doesn't matter, the difference between now and then is huge. Millions of people have benefited. I think a lot of people don't really know what it was before the hippies started shouting foul.

It was a rigid society, everything was done as prescribed. Some people were not accepted, period. Women didn't handle money except what they were handed to buy groceries with. They were trapped for life. If you didn't get married, you were a spinster librarian or secretary and everyone pitied you. If your husband beat you, you were still lucky to have a husband that would hand you money to buy food for you and the kids. You spent your life cooking, cleaning and mending clothes. You scrubbed floors on your knees, boiled underwear, did laundry with a washboard in a bathtub.

If you were gay, most likely you just got married and never lived out your fantasies. Gays were not out at all, so you never knew if someone else was gay or not. If you were gay, you carried that secret for life.

I don't have to tell you about racism, whether it was aimed against Jews or Blacks or whatever, it was unshakeable and had existed for eons.

It was actually the beatniks that started pushing the limits. They were first. The "DaddyOh" generation. The hippies picked up the ball and pushed it a lot further.

I love the changes we helped to bring about by dragging the issues out into the light. I didn't "go back to nature" and live in a commune and refuse to own a TV. But I practiced what I had preached in my own life, and more importantly, in business. If the hippies had not mingled with the mainstream, the social changes would not have been implemented to the degree they were. Hippies would have remained a fringe group without much effect on society.

I think the bashing hippies get is attributable to the commercialism that arose around them, the fashion and eccentricity. It has nothing to do with the actual causes we had, those are widely integrated in western societies by now.

And yes, oh the stories I could tell. Like dancefortwo's brothers, my life has been interesting to say the least.

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02-01-2015, 05:22 AM
RE: What did the Hippies ever do for us?
Great post Dom!

Quote:I see today's emerging generation, the age my grand kids would be, as extremely promising.

The question would seem to be, just as it was with hippies, what will happen when they leave they their youth, and all that idealism and energy has to compete with kids and careers?

Quote:I think a lot of people don't really know what it was before the hippies started shouting foul.

Yes, this is ever more true. We have a niece who is in to the hippy thing. She thinks it's all about buying tie dyed shirts at the mall. :-) Even for people my age, it's hard to fully grasp the fifties, cause we were only kids then.

Quote:It was a rigid society, everything was done as prescribed.

I remember a conversation I had with a great aunt. She was an intelligent person trapped in a small minded Pennsylvania town.

Over lunch one day she was explaining how her neighbors would scorn her if she didn't put her laundry out on the line on Tuesday like they did.

I laughed out loud thinking it was an absurd joke. But she wasn't laughing. She was serious.

It's complicated though. In earlier decades, the Depression and WWII, there was a lot of social cohesion that you don't see now. And there was a lot that was good about that. But sometimes that social cohesion got out of hand, or waaaay out of hand.

Quote:If you were gay, most likely you just got married and never lived out your fantasies.

Ya, forget being gay before 1970 or so. Gays were totally invisible in our high school. We weren't against them, we barely knew they existed.

I grew up in a beach town, and to me at that time gays were the people who hung around the beach boardwalk downtown, trying to lure kids in to bathrooms. I had no clue.

Quote:It was actually the beatniks that started pushing the limits. They were first. The "DaddyOh" generation. The hippies picked up the ball and pushed it a lot further.

Yes, good point. There's a great documentary about Jack Kerouac on Netflix for those who want to explore that era. Other films that explore the beats too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kerouac

Quote: I didn't "go back to nature" and live in a commune and refuse to own a TV.

Oops, no flopping hippy titties around the campfire for you. :-)

Quote:If the hippies had not mingled with the mainstream, the social changes would not have been implemented to the degree they were. Hippies would have remained a fringe group without much effect on society.

Great comment. The hippies were absorbed by the mainstream, killing the hippies, but infecting the mainstream with hippy philosophy.

Quote:I think the bashing hippies get

Who's bashing hippies? I'll kick their fucking face in man! I mean, uh, put a flower in their hair. Are the hippies Woodstock, or Altamont? Both....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert

Read a book about the Allman Brothers. You'll read about the hippy love commune thing they had going in Macon. People can you hear it, love is everywhere! That was real.

And how when a bar owner refused to pay the Brothers for a show, the Allman's manager at the time showed up, went behind the bar, and fucking knifed the guy to death. This was real too.
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