What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
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16-04-2013, 09:16 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
The thing I hate most as a Christian is Atheists. No, just kidding! I like Atheists since they are highly intelligent and get all my Big Bang Theory jokes...

The thing that makes my mission work the hardest is Christians who take for granted what leading Christians, Christian authors, pastors, etc. say without searching the scriptures for themselves. Leads to all kinds of fallacies and errors--that eventually trickle to down to this forum and elsewhere!
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16-04-2013, 09:19 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
(16-04-2013 07:24 AM)GuiltyAngel Wrote:  
(15-04-2013 08:47 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Guilt. The never ending parade of things to be guilty for. Even your own damn thoughts. Those sermons had me on the cusp of breaking down and crying every time out of the shear guilt of what I might do or might think. That's right. I would often feel guilty that at some point in the future I might have an impure thought. I felt guilty for what my future-self might think in the future but not actually do. How fucked-up is the that?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is true. You're always expected to be perfect and if you're not, god will pour his wrath upon you. Knowing all these makes you feel that you're not good enough so you strive harder to become better, but still, it's not good enough. Every little thing you do, if there is even the slightest bad in it, you're so guilty you wanna kill yourself.

It is one thing to fear for what you did, and what you are currently doing. But the preachers condemn you for what you MIGHT think and what you MIGHT do in the future. Being guilty is one thing, being guilty for your future self's potential to do something against the arbitrary rules? That is a complete mind-fuck and brainwashing.

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16-04-2013, 09:31 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
The hypocrisy.

Love thy neighbor, we are all god's children, do unto others...

Then the bastards turn out to be the most intolerant, sexist, racist and ego-centric fucktards you'll ever meet.

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16-04-2013, 09:33 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
(16-04-2013 09:31 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  The hypocrisy.

Love thy neighbor, we are all god's children, do unto others...

Then the bastards turn out to be the most intolerant, sexist, racist and ego-centric fucktards you'll ever meet.

Which is even more frustrating once you hear Hitchens' take. How dare they tell me to love anyways. You can't make love compulsory and still call it love.

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16-04-2013, 09:33 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
When I think back, it was the mindless stupidity of the exercise.

Some pastor whips together a sermon on 5 verses from Paul taken out of context about how you're supposed to really really love each other. Not just each other but the world. OK fine. But you coulda said it in two sentences like I just did. And it's not like I wake up every day and have to consciously choose to leave my axe at home...

And people say "wasn't the sermon great today". No it wasn't. Some tit made a bunch of obvious, saccharine statements backed up with some twaddle and wasted an hour and a half of my life, we had a jolly sing-song about an invisible egomaniac, and now I'm sitting here drinking coffee and thinking bitter thoughts.
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16-04-2013, 09:33 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
The lies. The stupidity of it all.

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16-04-2013, 09:41 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
One other thing about my despise of the guilt, it wasn't what caused me to leave my beliefs behind or abandon religion or even give-up on the bible. Despite how much I hated that, it was directed at hating myself. I turned the BS, into hate for myself and let it further motivate me to keep believing.

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16-04-2013, 09:46 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
(16-04-2013 09:33 AM)morondog Wrote:  Some tit made a bunch of obvious, saccharine statements backed up with some twaddle and wasted an hour and a half of my life, we had a jolly sing-song about an invisible egomaniac, and now I'm sitting here drinking coffee and thinking bitter thoughts.

I hate to break it to you, sweetheart, but you just described about 90% of all books and movies ever written and made. Drinking Beverage

How's them bitter thoughts now?

To the OP: When I was still religious, I didn't hate anything, obviously. Other than the fact that I couldn't come to terms with the idea that some really great people would not go to Heaven (I never really believed in Hell) simply for not being Xtians. This always bugged me.

Now, like others have pointed out, I hate the inherent masochism of it all, the idea that we're all worthless, that the body is something to be ashamed of, inferior, something we're saddled with and which we should be looking forward to getting rid of. And most of all, the idea that everything bad about us is our own fault and everything good - the grace of god or however they actually call it.

Xtianity - the greatest guilt-trip ever laid. Dodgy

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16-04-2013, 09:51 AM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
What I hated most about it was the BS that was being peddled insofar as it caused actual pain once you actually began to examine them and realise that everything you had been told by those who you were supposed to trust was not only a lie but a poorly formed one that was blatantly hypocritical. It's like you woke up one day a realised that 2+2=4 but everyone around you told you no it = 3 even though that makes no sense and you're a bad person for even thinking about it.

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16-04-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: What did you hate most about being a christian or a religious person?
Got a couple of things...

1) Hated having to constantly pray to God to forgive me for everything from a stray naughty thought to anything else I figured might displease him. When you have a touch of OCD like me, that can drive you nuts and occupy a lot of thought-time better spent on other pursuits.

2) Having my sexual development stumped by a bunch of authority figures who turned out to be getting it on the side, into porn, secretly gay, or so repressed that they made damning anything to do with the flesh an obsession. I fought a 20-year losing battle with masturbation by memorizing Scripture, praying, worshipping, fasting, and guilt-tripping...for what?

3) Dating Xian women and getting the line, "I think God is saying no" or some other responsibility-dodging claptrap that brooked no debate, because how can you argue with God? Talk about a "get out of a relationship free" card...not that I want to argue someone into being with me, but it seemed like such a trite thing to say, especially since God didn't bother to clue me in so we could be on the same page and thus avoid hurt feelings and awkwardness.

4) Doing whatever I could to gain the "fruits of the Spirit" as listed in Galatians (love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness faithfulness, gentleness, self-control) and enable God to sanctify me, yet not only seeing little change in myself, but noticing that people who were supposed to be "filled with the Spirit", like pastors, theologians, and leaders, were often the most arrogant and venal of the bunch.

5) Having to kowtow to pastors and others in leadership because they were "God's anointed", and how it was a "divisive" sin to dispute them or their authority - yet they could slam you without recourse or publicly humiliate you, despite the "three steps of confrontation" listed in Matthew 18:15-18.

6) Tithing and giving money that was supposedly used for ministry, but noticing that the pastor had nice cars and a big house by a golf course, and that we met in a huge sanctuary with a bookstore, fountain, and other amenities.

7) Having hell pumped at us as the destination of sinners, yet most people acted like there was no such thing - including the above-mentioned pastors, who didn't seem to mind accumulating wealth, living a normal life, and catering to those who had money over focusing on those who were supposedly on the broad road to damnation (not to mention ignorning all the starving/sick/poor folks in the world).

8) Seeing how truly divided Christianity was, with all of its demoninations and differing doctrines - and then reading in the Bible that God "is not a God of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints" (1 Cor 14:33, NASB).

9) Being treated that I was a lesser person because I was single, especially as I got older ("what's wrong with you?"), even though singleness is supposed to be ideal for "serving God" per the Apostle Paul (1 Cor. 7). On top of that, attending the older singles group and finding it full of the same divorced, homely, and otherwise socially inept people you'd probably expect to be single in any context (again, so much for sanctification or enduring love).

10) Noting that even though all Xians were supposedly filled with the Holy Spirit, and that God is supposed to see beyond appearance into one's true heart (1 Sam. 16:7), it tended to be the attractive, charismatic, and outgoing people who were movers and shakers - kind of like how it is in secular life.

That's probably enough for now...
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