What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
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20-12-2014, 12:09 AM
What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
Both were incredible mathematicians that had contributed great ideas and moved society forward but were hampered by religion. A recently discovered copy of Archimede's book, which was defaced and printed over by a monk copying the scripture, outlined limits the basis of calculus - 200 years BC. Alan Turing invented a computing machine using binary system and helped the good guys win the war by decoding the more complex German coding. He eventually committed suicide because he was forced to take drugs that reversed his masculinity because being gay was illegal - due to repressive religious doctrine. He also formulated morphogenisis or in other words mathematically calculated how the stripes on a zebra or tiger are created.
What this world may have been like had religion not stepped on them. See the doc "The Codebreaker".
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20-12-2014, 12:11 AM
RE: What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?

I dunno. Both gay ?

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20-12-2014, 12:24 AM
RE: What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
He'll be Turing in his grave.

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20-12-2014, 12:26 AM
RE: What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
(20-12-2014 12:09 AM)Martyrbca Wrote:  Both were incredible mathematicians that had contributed great ideas and moved society forward but were hampered by religion. A recently discovered copy of Archimede's book, which was defaced and printed over by a monk copying the scripture, outlined limits the basis of calculus - 200 years BC. Alan Turing invented a computing machine using binary system and helped the good guys win the war by decoding the more complex German coding. He eventually committed suicide because he was forced to take drugs that reversed his masculinity because being gay was illegal - due to repressive religious doctrine. He also formulated morphogenisis or in other words mathematically calculated how the stripes on a zebra or tiger are created.
What this world may have been like had religion not stepped on them. See the doc "The Codebreaker".

Personally, I'd say that the two were more victims of an out-of-control runaway militancy at work in their cultures in the face of heavy geopolitical conflict. Turing, a victim not so much of religious discrimination against homosexuality, as a victim of a cover-your-ass intelligence community mindset who thought that being gay made him vulnerable to blackmail by the Soviets and, hence, a security liability. (Granted the religion was the reason that being gay was blackmail material, but that's still at one remove.) Archimedes was a victim of a Roman sword in his gut. The subsequent religious defacing of his work was secondary... and was more likely a case of "someone ignorant wanted to recycle parchment and didn't recognize its value" rather than "let's suppress science for gawd!"

Not that religion isn't guilty of that crap a thousand other places. But part of being better than them is actually policing our own claims and keeping them accurate.
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20-12-2014, 12:32 AM
RE: What do Archimdes and Alan Turning have in common?
You could also apply the -What could of, both ways.

If religion didn't limit Turing by forcing him to deny himself at parts of his life, maybe he wouldn't of been as effective and outlying his mathematical genius into grand actions. Limitations and oppression have the counter effects of breeding creativity or finding the ways to push technical boundaries.

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