Poll: If you are an atheist, how do you define atheist?
1) Gods do not exist.
2) No gods exist.
3) Do not accept the claims that gods exist.
4) Do not accept the claims that gods exist due to lack of evidence.
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30-08-2015, 06:22 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
Chose option 3 rather than 4 because
The god claims are insufficiently defined.

They need to get their claims sorted first before we go looking for evidence.
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30-08-2015, 06:55 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 06:22 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Chose option 3 rather than 4 because
The god claims are insufficiently defined.

They need to get their claims sorted first before we go looking for evidence.

People keep saying that god claims are insufficiently defined, as if it means anything.

We have 4.5 + billion theists on this planet following the Abrahamic god, which is defined as an eternal supernatural entity that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

Of the other 2.5 billion non Abrahamic believers, if anybody believes that their god possesses any of the qualities of the Abrahamic god, then we have defined the attributes of all supernatural gods.

The concepts of god are easily defined, and always have been.

1. Anything that is supernatural, and called "God," is regarded as a god.
2. Anything that is not supernatural, is not a god at all.

It's quite simple really.

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30-08-2015, 07:04 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 06:55 PM)Free Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 06:22 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Chose option 3 rather than 4 because
The god claims are insufficiently defined.

They need to get their claims sorted first before we go looking for evidence.

People keep saying that god claims are insufficiently defined, as if it means anything.

We have 4.5 + billion theists on this planet following the Abrahamic god, which is defined as an eternal supernatural entity that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

Of the other 2.5 billion non Abrahamic believers, if anybody believes that their god possesses any of the qualities of the Abrahamic god, then we have defined the attributes of all supernatural gods.

The concepts of god are easily defined, and always have been.

1. Anything that is supernatural, and called "God," is regarded as a god.
2. Anything that is not supernatural, is not a god at all.

It's quite simple really.

And there are many people out there who when you talk to them define gods they believe in that don't match those criteria.

And not Abrahamic God doesn't mean omni-3 at all. Some distinctions don't acknowledge him in those regards afterall the bible has no mention of those concepts. Those were classical Greek style concepts of an creator entity.

It is ill defined if you look past simplified views of judging by some mainstream perception of the concept as if that's all things are in the world.

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30-08-2015, 07:13 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:04 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 06:55 PM)Free Wrote:  People keep saying that god claims are insufficiently defined, as if it means anything.

We have 4.5 + billion theists on this planet following the Abrahamic god, which is defined as an eternal supernatural entity that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent.

Of the other 2.5 billion non Abrahamic believers, if anybody believes that their god possesses any of the qualities of the Abrahamic god, then we have defined the attributes of all supernatural gods.

The concepts of god are easily defined, and always have been.

1. Anything that is supernatural, and called "God," is regarded as a god.
2. Anything that is not supernatural, is not a god at all.

It's quite simple really.

And there are many people out there who when you talk to them define gods they believe in that don't match those criteria.

And not Abrahamic God doesn't mean omni-3 at all. Some distinctions don't acknowledge him in those regards afterall the bible has no mention of those concepts. Those were classical Greek style concepts of an creator entity.

It is ill defined if you look past simplified views of judging by some mainstream perception of the concept as if that's all things are in the world.

Hey, anything supernatural- and is claimed to be a god- is defined as a god.

Anything that is not supernatural- and claimed to be a god- can be dismissed as not being a god.

In short, anything that is claimed to be greater than the human experience- or all natural life in general- can be defined as a god.

It doesn't have to be complicated.

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30-08-2015, 07:19 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:13 PM)Free Wrote:  It doesn't have to be complicated.

It's them dang prophets. Angel

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30-08-2015, 07:20 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:13 PM)Free Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 07:04 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  And there are many people out there who when you talk to them define gods they believe in that don't match those criteria.

And not Abrahamic God doesn't mean omni-3 at all. Some distinctions don't acknowledge him in those regards afterall the bible has no mention of those concepts. Those were classical Greek style concepts of an creator entity.

It is ill defined if you look past simplified views of judging by some mainstream perception of the concept as if that's all things are in the world.

Anything that is not supernatural- and claimed to be a god- can be dismissed as not being a god.

Based on what? What makes that not a God in a context of some defined manners? The idea of a gods isn't limited to the idea of how you define a gods. Supernatural isn't an end all be all qualification.

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30-08-2015, 07:23 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:20 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 07:13 PM)Free Wrote:  Anything that is not supernatural- and claimed to be a god- can be dismissed as not being a god.

Based on what? What makes that not a God in a context of some defined manners? The idea of a gods isn't limited to the idea of how you define a gods. Supernatural isn't an end all be all qualification.

Because if it can be no greater than you are, then its a false claim. If anyone claims anyone else to be greater than any other human being, the claim is false, and you have a false "god.'

Just because someone claims someone else to be a god, does not make that person a god ... unless you "believe" it does?

Do you "believe" it does?

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30-08-2015, 07:26 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:23 PM)Free Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 07:20 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Based on what? What makes that not a God in a context of some defined manners? The idea of a gods isn't limited to the idea of how you define a gods. Supernatural isn't an end all be all qualification.

Because if it can be no greater than you are, then its a false claim. If anyone claims anyone else to be greater than any other human being, the claim is false, and you have a false "god.'

Just because someone claims someone else to be a god, does not make that person a god ... unless you "believe" it does?

Do you "believe" it does?

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I don't know what the hell any of that means. Cool What do people proclaiming to be a god have to do with anything?

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30-08-2015, 07:28 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:26 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 07:23 PM)Free Wrote:  Because if it can be no greater than you are, then its a false claim. If anyone claims anyone else to be greater than any other human being, the claim is false, and you have a false "god.'

Just because someone claims someone else to be a god, does not make that person a god ... unless you "believe" it does?

Do you "believe" it does?

Wink

I don't know what the hell any of that means. Cool What do people proclaiming to be a god have to do with anything?

Well ... to demonstrate my point conclusively, could you please name one single person or thing that is not supernatural, and yet is regarded as a god by anyone?

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30-08-2015, 07:35 PM
RE: What do you mean by "Atheist"?
(30-08-2015 07:19 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(30-08-2015 07:13 PM)Free Wrote:  It doesn't have to be complicated.

It's them dang prophets. Angel

Yeah I know.

When Jesus claimed God to be his father, Pontius Pilate promptly bent Jesus over and forced him to answer the question of, "Who's your daddy now, bitch?"

We need more Pontius Pilates in the world.

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