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28-06-2013, 04:10 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
Oh, FFS.

Goddamn it I need an emoticon for that.

FUCK!

By the way, it's my birthday and Hughsie is being a big old meanie playing the "cause I said so" game.

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28-06-2013, 04:15 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  Ever noticed the lack of atheists at church ?

Come on dude, it's not that hard to figure out. They don't *like* us, even the reasonable ones. We are discussing shit that they'd rather not think about. We're hammering priests and pastors and popes. We're swearing like there's no tomorrow.

And yes, using the Bible as evidence is pretty fucking retarded Tongue

Not many atheists attend church in the first place, we get many theists join.

And no, us condemning them for using the Bible is what's retarded. They're Christians, of course they're gonna use the Bible. Proper debate won't be had by both camps sitting opposite each other shouting "your book's shit". It's had by both camps sitting down and being prepared to listen to what each other has to say and debate solely on the points. I go to a Christian discussion group once a week, they all know I'm an atheist, and it doesn't cause any problems. Know why? I don't sit there refusing to listen to them and simply telling them their book is crap, I actually debate the points they raise, it works better.

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28-06-2013, 04:18 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:15 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 04:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  Ever noticed the lack of atheists at church ?

Come on dude, it's not that hard to figure out. They don't *like* us, even the reasonable ones. We are discussing shit that they'd rather not think about. We're hammering priests and pastors and popes. We're swearing like there's no tomorrow.

And yes, using the Bible as evidence is pretty fucking retarded Tongue

Not many atheists attend church in the first place, we get many theists join.

And no, us condemning them for using the Bible is what's retarded. They're Christians, of course they're gonna use the Bible. Proper debate won't be had by both camps sitting opposite each other shouting "your book's shit". It's had by both camps sitting down and being prepared to listen to what each other has to say and debate solely on the points. I go to a Christian discussion group once a week, they all know I'm an atheist, and it doesn't cause any problems. Know why? I don't sit there refusing to listen to them and simply telling them their book is crap, I actually debate the points they raise, it works better.

And many leave again... your point is ? Plenty of atheists have attended church in the past. And they *don't go back*... Funny thing.

If Mr Reasonable Christian comes in here and says "I'm gonna prove God to you using the Bible" are you seriously suggesting I should sit there and take him seriously ? Why shouldn't I ask him to justify using it ? Every person who tries that is immediately asked that *perfectly reasonable* question.
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28-06-2013, 04:22 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Would it be fair to say that it is perfectly understandable that we on this forum should be highly skeptical as to the reasons any theist would walk into TTA?

No, I've joined several Christian forums without having the intention to cause trouble. I expect not to be faced with initial hostility from people who have nothing to judge me on. I also would like to provide the same atmosphere to others.

(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Would it be fair to say that the majority of the forum members here have a very good reason to be defensive and touchy about being preached to, proselytized to and being otherwise insulted by theists?

No. We should be objective and free from prejudice. Judging someone based on another person they don't know and have nothing to do with is wrong. We should judge people individually.

(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Would it be fair to say that whenever a self-proclaimed theist announces themselves the vast majority, from what I have seen, are NOT here because of self-doubts or because they are exploring their beliefs but rather to openly challange our non belief?

I think many are here looking for debate, and I see nothing wrong with that.

(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  The collective accuracy of the Bullshitometer/Trollometer on this forum is 100% as far as I have seen. Again, I point you to Mojch, when he got some undeserved and unjustified crap others immediately came to his defense.

People still try and tell me Egor was here simply to troll. That tells me that the trollometer needs some serious re-tuning, to say the least.

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28-06-2013, 04:22 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Oh, FFS.

Goddamn it I need an emoticon for that.

FUCK!

By the way, it's my birthday and Hughsie is being a big old meanie playing the "cause I said so" game.

Happy Birthday. Smile

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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28-06-2013, 04:25 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:22 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 04:10 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Oh, FFS.

Goddamn it I need an emoticon for that.

FUCK!

By the way, it's my birthday and Hughsie is being a big old meanie playing the "cause I said so" game.

Happy Birthday. Smile

Thanks...now back to disagreeing...Big Grin

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28-06-2013, 04:26 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:18 PM)morondog Wrote:  And many leave again... your point is ? Plenty of atheists have attended church in the past. And they *don't go back*... Funny thing.

That's different and you know it. Atheists who used to go to church used to believe but stopped going when their views changed. We get many Christians sign up here claiming to look for debate, why do they leave so quickly? Are they all assholes, or is there something about this place that stops it appealing to the reasonable ones too?

(28-06-2013 04:18 PM)morondog Wrote:  If Mr Reasonable Christian comes in here and says "I'm gonna prove God to you using the Bible" are you seriously suggesting I should sit there and take him seriously ? Why shouldn't I ask him to justify using it ? Every person who tries that is immediately asked that *perfectly reasonable* question.

I think you should debate his points. Making jokes at his expense, being passive aggressive, or being openly hostile are unwarranted.

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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28-06-2013, 04:30 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:03 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 03:57 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, it's an atheist forum. That kind of preachy bullshit doesn't fly here and they either already know that or will be told.

Fuck 'em.

Thank you Chas.

Now that Chas has been nice enough to prove me with some proof, does anyone still wanna tell me that there aren't people here who are hostile to theists being on the forum.

By the way Chas, this is from the rules;

This forum isn't just for atheists. It is for anyone - no matter what race, religion, sex, sexual preference, or anything else. Anyone is welcome to participate and express their opinions.

We have had reasonable theists stay and have reasonable discussion. There aren't many. Most come in with attitude and are justifiably rebuffed.

When you have some actual evidence of over-reaction, provide it. Otherwise, you simply have an ideological or emotional argument.

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28-06-2013, 04:32 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
(28-06-2013 04:15 PM)Hughsie Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 04:05 PM)morondog Wrote:  Ever noticed the lack of atheists at church ?

Come on dude, it's not that hard to figure out. They don't *like* us, even the reasonable ones. We are discussing shit that they'd rather not think about. We're hammering priests and pastors and popes. We're swearing like there's no tomorrow.

And yes, using the Bible as evidence is pretty fucking retarded Tongue

Not many atheists attend church in the first place, we get many theists join.

And no, us condemning them for using the Bible is what's retarded. They're Christians, of course they're gonna use the Bible. Proper debate won't be had by both camps sitting opposite each other shouting "your book's shit". It's had by both camps sitting down and being prepared to listen to what each other has to say and debate solely on the points. I go to a Christian discussion group once a week, they all know I'm an atheist, and it doesn't cause any problems. Know why? I don't sit there refusing to listen to them and simply telling them their book is crap, I actually debate the points they raise, it works better.

I have never seen what you're talking about. FC even went back and quoted every announced theist we've had since I've been here and none of them were jumped on until they started issuing insults or just bad arguments. Lets just look at our latest theist to join Maklelan until they said they were a mormon noone said anything about it and even then the few people that made comments were told to scuttle it since he said he wasn't here as a mormon apologist.

Now if you're talking about people being overly harsh after the trolling starts well thats a matter of opinion and calling a fool a fool is necessary. As to the bible, it is only rejected when it is used in place of known facts or as self confirming. If anything I have seen a lot more hate coming from some of the theists (supposedly) than from anyone else, theword for example.

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28-06-2013, 04:33 PM
RE: What do you most dislike about TTA forums? (Bitch Session)
My 2 cents: Don't ban asshole theists. Keep things as they are.

Three reasons:

First, if we start banning asshole theists (hereinafter ATs), we're heading down a slippery slope: there's a lot more assholery that could be up for banning. I'd put the Holocaust deniers at the top of my personal list; I find them much more offensive, and dangerous, than the fundie-bunnies who tell me I'm going to hell. Others might object to the use of the N-word, say. (I seem to remember something about that.) Where do you stop?

Second, ATs don't get to strew their garbage without being jumped on. Plenty of people here have the background, smarts, time and energy to answer ATs effectively. The ATs are always way outnumbered, outargued, and out-mocked. Sometimes it seems kind of like a sport, and I get the feeling some of us get a kick out of playing it. I don't see much wrong with that.

Third, I think it can be instructive for newbies to see how ATs can be dealt with. Even if we were to move in the safe-haven direction and ban ATs, someone fragile who's just deconverted is going to continue to encounter them IRL. Better they see how experienced atheists knock them down so they can hopefully learn how to do the same beyond the forum.

Basically, we're back to the perennial philosophical issue: which do we value more highly--safety/security/comfort or untrammeled freedom of expression? I don't think it's an easy question, and I've found myself vacillating on it. But most of the time I come down on the side of freedom of expression.

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