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04-10-2017, 12:21 PM
What does science say about firearms?
Unfortunately this is what comes from police reports, ER doctors, and Medical Examiners. And unfortunately this is also what the sane have known for DECADES. Guns may make someone feel safe, but the truth is the likelihood of injury and death, IS NOT from stranger on stranger self defense, but merely having one in the home.

Now, the sane reading this SHOULD spread this story in any social media you use, your local newspapers, TV stations, and your local, state and national officials.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...nce-shows/

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04-10-2017, 12:22 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
Similar to having a swimming pool

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04-10-2017, 12:32 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
(04-10-2017 12:22 PM)BikerDude Wrote:  Similar to having a swimming pool

Ok, take a swimming pool and try to suddenly murder 59 people.

FYI, You do know that regulations have forced swimming pool companies to make them safer.

Nope, sorry, "other bad shit happens" is a bullshit excuse to do nothing.

Go read, because what they are saying in that article could potentially happen to you and is far more likely to happen than defending yourself from a complete stranger.

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04-10-2017, 12:44 PM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2017 12:48 PM by BikerDude.)
RE: What does science say about firearms?
I'm not giving any excuse.
I don't need to.
I'm 56, never killed anyone and don't know anyone who has despite the fact that most people I know are gun owners.
They may or may not sight self defense as the reason.
I don't need or care to suggest a "reason" for being a gun owner.
IMO pointing out that a swimming pool is around 100 times more likely to result in a fatality is useful in putting things into perspective.
The point of the topic starts with something about "science". Statistics are relevant IMO.

Bottom line. If you don't want to have a gun then don't.
But don't tell people who don't kill other people or themselves what to do.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/...olsvsguns/

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04-10-2017, 12:44 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
(04-10-2017 12:32 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 12:22 PM)BikerDude Wrote:  Similar to having a swimming pool

Ok, take a swimming pool and try to suddenly murder 59 people.

I could do it. Drinking Beverage

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04-10-2017, 12:51 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
(04-10-2017 12:44 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(04-10-2017 12:32 PM)Brian37 Wrote:  Ok, take a swimming pool and try to suddenly murder 59 people.

I could do it. Drinking Beverage

Please do before this thread goes down the same rabbit hole as always.

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04-10-2017, 02:54 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
Everybody in this neighborhood has guns.

We have had one murder in the last 20 years..

Guy up the road stabbed his brother to death.

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Conclusion - guns don't kill people.

Their relatives do.

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04-10-2017, 02:59 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
I have multiple close friends who own guns. Mostly for hunting and I have eaten the fruits of those guns. I would trust all of those people with my life. That is not my issue. None of these people own guns for their defense, well maybe one.

That I can determine who should be allowed to own guns and who should not implies a
knowledge that may not be obtainable by the state. But the state can determine what types of guns may be allowed and may not. Guns that can be converted into fully automatic or are otherwise not useful for anything but killing humans should be banned.

Republican congresspersons want to relax laws against purchase of silencers. In their narrative to protect the purchasers hearing. What a crock of shit.

We live in the US in a country obsessed with guns we need to slowly and carefully make that obsession less.
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04-10-2017, 03:14 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
The only sane solution is to fill all the swimming pools with assault rifles.
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04-10-2017, 03:36 PM
RE: What does science say about firearms?
(04-10-2017 12:44 PM)BikerDude Wrote:  IMO pointing out that a swimming pool is around 100 times more likely to result in a fatality is useful in putting things into perspective.

That may have once been true.
However, the stats at the link you gave are 20 years old.

More recent stats show:

There are an estimated 112.5 million occupied private homes in the US.
About 10.4 million of them have swimming pools (~9%).
About 45 million of them have guns (40%). (This doesn't include guns owned by people living in public housing.)

About 565 children in the US die in residential swimming pool accidents, each year. (About 80% of 770 total annual drownings).

Around 1300 children in the US die as a result of firearms, each year.

Pools: 9% of homes; 565 deaths
Firearms: 40% of homes; 1300 deaths

Meaning that a child in the US is 2.3 times more likely to be killed by a firearm than by drowning in a residential swimming pool.

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