What does the word ‘god’ refer to?
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23-10-2016, 02:57 PM
RE: What does the word ‘god’ refer to?
His delusions are more real to him than the existence of, say, penguins, because he can personally perceive his delusions but cant personally test the existence of penguins. Dodgy
He trusts his, personal, made up version of reality more than the testable, by common standards that have reliably proven to work, reality others can demonstrate to exist.
This way he created his very personal *realm* of reality, from which he is looking down on the *realm* of everybody else like from an ivory tower.

Pros: You dont have to be concerned about anyone elses perception of reality
Cons: You are removed from everybody elses

So, very, very sad. Confused

P.S.: the permanent and annoying passive-agressive tone is a very thin veil behind which a colossal arrogance is hiding, hence my use of the term "ivory tower"
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23-10-2016, 03:46 PM
RE: What does the word ‘god’ refer to?
(23-10-2016 02:35 PM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  
(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  I thought we both agreed that I am stupid.

But it seems you are not sure yet about it, so you try collecting more proofs about my stupidity from whatever I wrote. But don't you waste your time by doing this? I already told you that it is normal/natural that I look real idiot to very smart persons, as you are.

Or perhaps, you feel that one of your duties in life is to help people (as the readers here) whose minds may not be as brilliant as yours know the posts that they should consider as idiotic (like mine) or real interesting (as yours). In this case, you are a real hero around here.

Kerim,

If someone makes posts on here that are counter-factual, that is, not congruent with reality, and tries to make those assertions as points in a discussion, then people who know that the facts or argumentation being made are dead wrong will consider that person an idiot, and will likely tell them so.

It's not YOU, and it's not even religious people. We have plenty of atheistic people who come on here and say genuinely stupid stuff, and we're happy to talk to them the same way.

The difference is that Christians not only tend to be fed a lot of bullshit, which they come here to regurgitate (they're convinced it's true because they trust the people who told them, and are appalled that we don't simply swallow it, too), but that you have such a martyr complex built into your programming that you all think it's some kind of personal crusade against you, or personal hatred by atheists here.

1) We don't care what religion you are.

2) We don't belittle people just for who they are.

3) We don't give extra leeway to one belief or another, including our own.

So knock it off and try to just address the things that are being brought up.

You asserted that most people must have what you called blind faith in science, and he explained for you that while what you said is true in the sense that most people don't know how to run science experiments, it ignores the fact that we can have confidence in the fact that anyone can test anything science claims at any point, in the openly-available international public record of scientific claims, and there are hosts of people who do constantly check for errors. Therefore it is not "blind" faith, but faith that the Scientific Method works as we have seen it work.

The same is not true for any of your un-testable, un-detectable, magical claims about god(s). That requires blind faith in what you were told because there's nothing else to check.

Do you really expect a normal person who heard (and still hear) your insulting words will have any reason to discuss with you any subject; scientific or else?

I don't say you are wrong because you have the right to insult those you don't like though I don't need to apply such a right in my life.

On the other hand, I am pleased talking to independent individuals only who use presenting their ideas by using the pronoun 'I' not 'we'.
Dependent people, theists or atheists, prefer using 'we' while discussing a subject to give more value to what they may present.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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23-10-2016, 04:07 PM
RE: What does the word ‘god’ refer to?
(23-10-2016 02:57 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  His delusions are more real to him than the existence of, say, penguins, because he can personally perceive his delusions but cant personally test the existence of penguins. Dodgy
He trusts his, personal, made up version of reality more than the testable, by common standards that have reliably proven to work, reality others can demonstrate to exist.
This way he created his very personal *realm* of reality, from which he is looking down on the *realm* of everybody else like from an ivory tower.

Pros: You dont have to be concerned about anyone elses perception of reality
Cons: You are removed from everybody elses

So, very, very sad. Confused

P.S.: the permanent and annoying passive-agressive tone is a very thin veil behind which a colossal arrogance is hiding, hence my use of the term "ivory tower"

At least you believe now that 'reality' is also a relative matter... relative to the observer.

Here is a fresh example:

In your TRUE reality, Al-Qaeda (ISIS lately) is the enemy of the US system as proven since 9/11/2001, almost daily.

In my personal realm, H. Clinton declared openly that America will help now the fighters of ISIS to find safe ways to move from Mosel city (Iraq) to Syria. In fact, Mosel city is now attacked from 3 sides only (north, east and south) because its west side leads to the Syrian border.

Should I believe now your TRUE reality or my illusions Tongue

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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23-10-2016, 04:18 PM
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Don't let those gnomes and their illusions get you down. They're just gnomes and illusions.

--Jake the Dog, Adventure Time

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23-10-2016, 06:01 PM
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Just when I was thinking "Gee, Kerim hasn't said anything about 9/11, George Bush, or any of his usual broken record conspiracy shit...", of course he delivers.

Somebody was saying socialist and borg were stooges, and that they needed a third. Well, I think Kerim is their Moe.
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23-10-2016, 06:08 PM
RE: What does the word ‘god’ refer to?
(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  I thought we both agreed that I am stupid.
Yes, that's why I'm still teaching you things. So you will unstupid yourself someday.

You are very welcome.

(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  But it seems you are not sure yet about it, so you try collecting more proofs about my stupidity from whatever I wrote.
I'm not collecting evidence, already done with that, I'm correcting error and educating.


(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  But don't you waste your time by doing this?
Only an idiot thinks apposing harmful ideas and educating others is a waste of time. Hence your confusion I guess.

(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  I already told you that it is normal/natural that I look real idiot to very smart persons, as you are.
It's one thing to be less intelligent than others, that's not a problem. There are several people here that i consider more intelligent than myself. That's not what your problem is.

Your problem is that you are willfully ignorant. You are not interested in learning, listening, or challenging your beliefs. You don't seem to care if your claims map to reality. I can't abide that. People who are stupid is one thing, people who intentionally keep themselves stupid are abhorrent.

(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Or perhaps, you feel that one of your duties in life is to help people (as the readers here) whose minds may not be as brilliant as yours know the posts that they should consider as idiotic (like mine) or real interesting (as yours).
It's the duty of all thinking people to critically examine their beliefs. When we don't we are very very prone to fooling ourselves with comfortable bullshit, just as you have done. It's not about smart or stupid, it's about you being dishonest with yourself and everyone here.

Your claims do not have any evidence in support of them and thus they are irrational. If you value your own mind you need to confront this fact honestly.

(23-10-2016 02:01 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In this case, you are a real hero around here.
Well bully for me.


Did you consider actually addressing my points when you took the time to type that zero substance reply?

It is held that valour is the chiefest virtue and most dignifies the haver.
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23-10-2016, 06:25 PM
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(23-10-2016 04:07 PM)KerimF Wrote:  At least you believe now that 'reality' is also a relative matter... relative to the observer.
Was not sayign that at all was quite plainly condemning your idiotic belief that you should ignore all of objectively demonstrable reality and just believe what you wanna believe cause it's nice.

(23-10-2016 04:07 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In your TRUE reality, Al-Qaeda (ISIS lately) is the enemy of the US system as proven since 9/11/2001, almost daily.
Al-Qaeda and ISIS are separate organizations and are not interchangeable.

(23-10-2016 04:07 PM)KerimF Wrote:  In my personal realm, H. Clinton declared openly that America will help now the fighters of ISIS to find safe ways to move from Mosel city (Iraq) to Syria. In fact, Mosel city is now attacked from 3 sides only (north, east and south) because its west side leads to the Syrian border.
Where did she openly state this? I want a source. Prove it.

(23-10-2016 04:07 PM)KerimF Wrote:  Should I believe now your TRUE reality or my illusions Tongue
For the last time you should believe the evidence you twat.

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23-10-2016, 06:45 PM
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(23-10-2016 06:25 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(23-10-2016 04:07 PM)KerimF Wrote:  At least you believe now that 'reality' is also a relative matter... relative to the observer.

Was not sayign that at all was quite plainly condemning your idiotic belief that you should ignore all of objectively demonstrable reality and just believe what you wanna believe cause it's nice.

Oh good grief, KerimF. Never tell another person what they believe. It's really idiotic and disrespectful.

... And arrogant.
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24-10-2016, 01:05 AM
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(23-10-2016 04:18 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  


I think you mean that you should believe the fairy tales instead which are created for the smart adults and even proven on our electrical screens as usual.
I personally like the ones that say:

1- Evil Supermen DO exist in reality (hence, not just in movies).
2- Idiot international criminal brains DO exist in reality (hence, not just in movies).

So I am sorry. I personally prefer believing my illusions which are based on facts I live (though you don't)... instead of the great fairy tales broadcasted worldwide via the modern bible (internet and alike) in the name of Freedom, Democracy and even Science.

But the good news is that every person is made to be satisfied fully for being the way he is. So, in this respect, I think we are alike Wink unless you have serious doubts about yourself.

Facts that don't need evidences:
Sheep for milk live in peace because it is the will of their rich owners.
Dogs obeying rich masters deserve much better food and shelters than free dogs do.
Whoever has ears will hear.
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24-10-2016, 01:31 AM
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(24-10-2016 01:05 AM)KerimF Wrote:  But the good news is that every person is made to be satisfied fully for being the way he is. So, in this respect, I think we are alike Wink unless you have serious doubts about yourself.

Clinical depression called, and it wanted me to tell you that you're an ignorant cunt.

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