What if God is a provable phenomenon?
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17-01-2014, 01:58 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(17-01-2014 10:19 AM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  
(17-01-2014 10:17 AM)Baruch Wrote:  we are not allowed to test God.


Which I personally find very ironic.
Go figure.

iIts is not ironic - its a fantastic tool for indoctrination & spread of fantasies & dogma. Very dangerous - not ironic.

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17-01-2014, 02:02 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(17-01-2014 11:35 AM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  God is provable.

He just fails every test.

My claim to being the best lover on earth is provable. Provably false (unfortunately. Hey, I can take it).

TwoCultSurvivor - this is a wise remark and actually the position of "the God hypothesis" by victor stinger Smartass
God the Failed Hypothesis: How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist

I agree with this when applied to scriptures & especially Christianity - these CAN be falsifiable (hence the strong positive atheism)

Other concepts of God are NOT falsifiable & much more vague eg apophatic theism (negative theology) found is some strands of mystical Judaism, neoplatonism and Sufism for example.

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17-01-2014, 02:09 PM (This post was last modified: 17-01-2014 03:49 PM by Baruch.)
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
Hypothesis:

Quote:1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Evidence:
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conclusion:
God as love = failed hypothesis

Simple

Much more disturbing than this is if Gods love is equivocated with torturing humans (every 45 seconds child dies of malaria fever from Gods design of plasmodiums & mosquito's = evidence for Gods love) and I personally have not tortured other humans in such a way- then I don't know God. Oh well.

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17-01-2014, 03:39 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
Baruch happens to be my alma mater. No joke.

And interesting you should bring up Victor Stenger's book. Guess what I'm reading on my Kindle this week. Come on, guess.
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17-01-2014, 03:50 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(17-01-2014 02:09 PM)Baruch Wrote:  Hypothesis:

Quote:1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Oh, Baruch. Silly man.

This is only true insofar as God is also ineffable. Because human beings are a bunch of ignorant, degenerate losers (though I note that this is necessarily just as the Good Lord made us), we can't possibly judge.

I mean, I'm told on good authority (for which read: lovable crackpots online, some on this very forum) that the answer to ol' Socrates's question is that goodness is from God, not the other way around. Therefore beginning from the premise that God is love and observing that God is not loving, we must conclude our observation to have been in error.

Hobo

All of which may be made clear to you if you close your eyes and ask nicely.
With evidence like that, no true Scotsman would disagree!

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What a failure pile.

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17-01-2014, 03:55 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(17-01-2014 03:39 PM)TwoCultSurvivor Wrote:  Baruch happens to be my alma mater. No joke.

Alma mater (Latin alma "nourishing/ kind", mater "mother"; pl. (rarely used) almae matres) is a term that was used in ancient Rome as a title for various mother goddesses,

Your mother if moral should nourish you.
If she doesn't she is a sadistic bitch.
God does not nourish much of the world = sadistic bastard.
In the west & much of developing East we are generally well nourished thanks to technology & human ingenuity (improved farming, modern agriculture etc)

Simple equation - nothing mystical required.
Does this answer your question - no joke !

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17-01-2014, 04:04 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(17-01-2014 03:50 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(17-01-2014 02:09 PM)Baruch Wrote:  Hypothesis:

Oh, Baruch. Silly man.

This is only true insofar as God is also ineffable. Because human beings are a bunch of ignorant, degenerate losers (though I note that this is necessarily just as the Good Lord made us), we can't possibly judge.

I mean, I'm told on good authority (for which read: lovable crackpots online, some on this very forum) that the answer to ol' Socrates's question is that goodness is from God, not the other way around. Therefore beginning from the premise that God is love and observing that God is not loving, we must conclude our observation to have been in error.

Hobo

All of which may be made clear to you if you close your eyes and ask nicely.
With evidence like that, no true Scotsman would disagree!

Rolleyes

What a failure pile.

cjlr Thankyou for correcting me, I have been in error all along and just did not realize it. I now see my observations have been wrong. I now have faith in intelligent design and a loving God. How wrong was I ???? Sadcryface2

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This must me an act of true love and Gods great wisdom and plan. Wow, I have never seen such love, what an enlightening observation. I now love God and I might even be resurrected. God bless you for converting me back to theism - what have I been doing these last few years dabbling with misleading heretics like victor Stenger and those naughty skeptics and non believers who just don't see the blinding evidence - literally BLINDING evidence. Shocking

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20-01-2014, 09:02 AM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
Not quite sure if Baruch missed what I was saying or I missed what he's saying.

I'm a graduate of Baruch College in NYC. I do not worship Baruch.

But reading Baruch's post carefully, he seems to be constructing an argument the same way Victor Stenger does in "God: The Failed Hypothesis," which would make sense of him saying "Does this answer your question?"

In which case, yes, yes it does.
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20-01-2014, 09:06 AM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
Anyone else notice that the OP has fucked off? Big Grin

WHY?!? Sadcryface2

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22-01-2014, 12:52 PM
RE: What if God is a provable phenomenon?
(20-01-2014 09:06 AM)cheapthrillseaker Wrote:  Anyone else notice that the OP has fucked off? Big Grin

WHY?!? Sadcryface2

Drive-by, apparently. He responded for a bit, but I was disappointed that he never responded to my comments, let alone 3/4 of what anyone else posted. I think he was going for the low-hanging fruit, but he realized he bit off more than he could chew.
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