What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
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15-09-2016, 11:09 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 06:32 AM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  It kind of struck me while reading about the soviet treatment of the religious. Especially those who were former adult atheist of high academic achievement. They categorized them as having a mental illness.

Similarly during this time homosexuals were treated as if they were mentally ill and treated accordingly.

However I think it's well established now that homosexuality has genetic underpinnings that suggest it's a natural phenomena.

What if a genetic link to being religious is discovered? Will this change the attitude of atheists towards religion?

Also to add it must be noted that the communists tried for several decades through the strongest state efforts to eradicate religion and failed. Should we learn any lesson from this?

https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2...hardwired/

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn7...clination/

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/20...t-god-gene

It's not established that same sex attraction is genetic. There are studies that show it may be influenced in utero by hormonal environment at certain stages.

The articles don't even try to separate what is genetic from epi-genetic. Their samples are small and not very diverse. Who cares ? Many diseases have genetic causes. Tongue

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15-09-2016, 11:23 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 07:32 AM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  It shouldn't be anymore of a problem if a person quietly is religious and not bothering anyone than engaging in homosexuality and not causing any harm to others?

And it's not. The problem is that the religious have a really hard time being quiet about it. You believe whatever you want to, I have no problem with that. Just keep it out of my face and out of our politics.

Homosexuals can be as loud and proud as they want, they're still not hurting anything.

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15-09-2016, 11:27 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 10:12 AM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  
(15-09-2016 07:49 AM)Nurse Wrote:  I think relating religion to sociopathy is a better comparison. There's an element of both nature and nurture with sociopathy. Sociopaths have different flavors of entertianment, just like there are different world religions.

Ted Bundy liked fucking the bodies of women he killed. There's a Canadian Muslim dad trying to keep his son out of music class because it goes against the dad's beliefs. Not all sociopaths are neceophiliacs, not all Muslims or religious persons want to prevent little kids from singing cute songs about farm animals and being kind. Both infringe upon the rights of others because of their own personal preferences.

It's similar to how the soviet union thought on it. Atheists on another forum are asking me to link modern atheism with the atheism of soviet russia and, well here is a perfect example of religiosity being compared to a mental disorder. I am assuming that if you are comparing religious people to Ted Bundy you would be fairly at ease in soviet russia putting people into mental asylums for quietly practicing their religion.

You're the one who picked a shit example. I think your comparing religion to homosexuality is much like comparing it to albinism. It doesn't equate.

I'd prefer you to quietly go fuck off to your troll "ooo hoo hoo I bet me comparing this person to commie is gonna get her real good! Hur hurr" hard on. Drinking Beverage

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15-09-2016, 11:33 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
Seriously?

No one was put into mental asylums for "quietly practicing their religion".

Some of the churches made the decision to oppose the mandates of the new communist regime, and they were attacked for it, as was any other group (including secular freethinkers) that spoke out or disobeyed.

For fuck's sake, man. Lying for Jesus is still lying.

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15-09-2016, 11:35 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 11:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  No one was put into mental asylums for "quietly practicing their religion".

Perhaps that's the problem.

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15-09-2016, 11:36 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 11:35 AM)yakherder Wrote:  
(15-09-2016 11:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  No one was put into mental asylums for "quietly practicing their religion".

Perhaps that's the problem.

Har har.

You know damned well that almost every member here would be willing to take up arms and fight against any government that tried to deny the religious liberties of others.

Freedom of religion and freedom from religion are the same thing.

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15-09-2016, 11:41 AM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 11:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Seriously?

No one was put into mental asylums for "quietly practicing their religion".

Some of the churches made the decision to oppose the mandates of the new communist regime, and they were attacked for it, as was any other group (including secular freethinkers) that spoke out or disobeyed.

For fuck's sake, man. Lying for Jesus is still lying.

Thank you. They were censured as their groups were an organizational threat to the state. No one cared about the content of their beliefs, FFS.

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15-09-2016, 12:13 PM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
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15-09-2016, 12:14 PM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 11:08 AM)ScientificTruth321 Wrote:  ---
It's the very same attitude in christians towards homosexuals in the 50s or something and it makes the atheists who think like that intolerant christianophobic scum in my eyes.

"... in the 50s or something ..." Really?
So, you were a christian in the 50s? Or maybe a homosexual in the 50s? Perhaps you were in the Soviet Union or one of the curtain countries?

Boo hoo, little oppressed one. Sadcryface2 Weeping

There.

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15-09-2016, 12:35 PM
RE: What if Religiosity is genetic like homosexuality?
(15-09-2016 11:33 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  Seriously?

No one was put into mental asylums for "quietly practicing their religion".

Some of the churches made the decision to oppose the mandates of the new communist regime, and they were attacked for it, as was any other group (including secular freethinkers) that spoke out or disobeyed.

For fuck's sake, man. Lying for Jesus is still lying.

Let's take a few examples (of probably thousands)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-..._pg_180-70

"A 33-year-old doctor, Olga Skrebets with a PhD in medical sciences, was diagnosed with an early stage of schizophrenia and sent to a hospital in Kiev in 1971 after she had withdrawn from CPSU membership for religious reason"


"A twenty-year-old history student named Galliamov was baptized when he was eighteen and had spent the summer of 1978 as a pilgrim at the few remaining monasteries. He was diagnosed a ‘psychopath of mixed type’ and subjected to high doses of neuroleptics, causing him nausea, high fever and heart attacks. He was released after two months and warned by the doctor to stop visiting monasteries or else his condition might evolve into schizophrenia"

"Evgenii Martynov, a thirty-five-year-old Pentecostal civil engineer was sent to the Cherniakhovski psycho-prison in 1978."

"One of the most blatant of such cases occurred in 1976 to 25-year-old Moscow intellectual, Alexander Argentov, a neophyte Orthodox Christian from an atheistic family. He had founded the Moscow-based religio-philosophic seminar in 1974, headed by Alexander Ogorodnikov (a graduate student of cinematography that was expelled from the institute along with others for trying to produce a film about religious life among Soviet youth). This seminar declared itself the successor of the religio-philosophic societies of Moscow and Leningrad that had been dispersed in the 1920s. The seminar began to be harassed in earnest in 1976 after it had grown considerably and shown much vitality, as well as established itself in Ufa (Bashkiria), Leningrad, L’vov (Ukraine), Minsk and Grodno (Belarus). Argentov and others were arrested and locked up in psychiatric institutions. Argentov's religious belief was diagnosed as a psychotic disorder.[68] Powerful neuroleptics were administered to him for two months before he was released after wide publicity and protests of his case which reached outside the USSR"
4 cases here of well educated people who just wanted to practice their religion without infringing on the rights of others who were deemed to be Ted Bundy by your atheist soviet friends.


https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3O2u...ts&f=false

Soviet Antireligious Campaigns and Persecutions: Volume 2 of a History of ...
By Dimitry V Pospielovsky

Like the atheist previously in this post they just stuck the label of mentally ill on them so they could abuse and torture them.
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