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08-03-2011, 11:19 PM
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
To suggest that somehow the democratic party is responsible for those gains is absurd. Those were won by the working people. Both parties are equally as disgusting.

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08-03-2011, 11:30 PM
 
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
I agree that after Bush43, we don't have to guess as to how America would look if Republicans ran things. George blurred the lines between the two parties so much so, that it appeared as if both the Donkey and the Elephant got busy and bore to life a bastard child Phantass to rule the rest of the nation long years after Texas got it's Junior back.

I don't know if I could read a book that goes into staunch detail as to the in's and out's of our collective schtupping by cronies on Wall Street. It's bad enough knowing what little I know now. So to remain ignorant just may keep my cast iron stomach living up to her reputation. Undecided
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09-03-2011, 07:30 AM
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
Last year I wrote a couple articles that summed up my thoughts on the two parties.

I was just getting my blog going and writing with, perhaps, a little more passion than you may have come to expect...But I think the basic premises are applicable.

The first, Why Are Republicans Evil?

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/12/...-evil.html

The second, Why are Democrats Morons?

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/12/...orons.html

This all said, the bottom-line, in my opinion, is both parties place party interests (and individual political interest) above the welfare of either the nation or its' citizenry. The ideological battles on legislation have been, and continue to be, nothing more than ploys on either parties part to divert attention and focus away from a very ADHD public that can't follow the bouncing ball for more than a minute at a time.

The one major change over the last couple decades is the entrenchment on issues taken by republicans and the willingness of their rabid conservative constituents to punish their representatives for any hint of compromise - something democrats are always willing to do (seek common ground) to their detriment. It is this political behavior that has driven the political center further and further right than ever before which will be the topic of my next article Smile but was also something I tried to illustrate in a graphic early on:

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/11/...scape.html

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09-03-2011, 09:54 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2011 10:03 AM by gamutman.)
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
(08-03-2011 07:13 PM)kestonrocks@sbcglobal.net Wrote:  I hate it when people suggest that both parties are equally bad. One party is resposible for "The new deal", Unemployment insurance, welfare, medicare, social security, child labor laws, the 4o hour work week, civil rights laws, hate crime laws ,envirnomental regulations & attempted wall street reform. The other party fought hard to prevent these programs and still tries to weeken then to this day.

I agree with everything you said here, except I feel one thing should be noted. The Republicans actually are responsible for the creation of the EPA.
(09-03-2011 07:30 AM)Seasbury Wrote:  Last year I wrote a couple articles that summed up my thoughts on the two parties.

I was just getting my blog going and writing with, perhaps, a little more passion than you may have come to expect...But I think the basic premises are applicable.

The first, Why Are Republicans Evil?

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/12/...-evil.html

The second, Why are Democrats Morons?

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/12/...orons.html

This all said, the bottom-line, in my opinion, is both parties place party interests (and individual political interest) above the welfare of either the nation or its' citizenry. The ideological battles on legislation have been, and continue to be, nothing more than ploys on either parties part to divert attention and focus away from a very ADHD public that can't follow the bouncing ball for more than a minute at a time.

The one major change over the last couple decades is the entrenchment on issues taken by republicans and the willingness of their rabid conservative constituents to punish their representatives for any hint of compromise - something democrats are always willing to do (seek common ground) to their detriment. It is this political behavior that has driven the political center further and further right than ever before which will be the topic of my next article Smile but was also something I tried to illustrate in a graphic early on:

http://centersolid.blogspot.com/2010/11/...scape.html

Democrat politicians do too often put their careers above their principals some times, but this is often also an unfair characterization. Here's how it works in reality. If a democrat Senator (for example) is from a purple constituency (Neither truly red nor blue) then he has to represent the entire constabulary. Not only out of fairness, but also to prevent his "job" going to a Republican in the next election. This can result in his making votes that seem to go against his own ideology, but it's often the lesser of two evils.

This came to a head in the vote for Obamacare. The blue dogs (as such democrats are known) refused to support parts of the bill which were very popular with democrats as a whole but were not popular in their home regions. As a result, we lost the mandate, but got the bill passed.

Personally, I think they should have voted for it and then tried to educate their constituency as to why and let the chips fall where they may, but I understand the nuances and can't really blame the guys. As it happens, my own representative (Charlie Wilson - the OTHER Charlie Wilson) lost to a Republican because he voted for healthcare reform after holding out and getting concessions. I don't feel bad for him. I feel bad for America.
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09-03-2011, 12:43 PM
 
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
(08-03-2011 07:50 PM)aesirus Wrote:  It depends on what kind of Republicans they are. They had complete power for a few years and managed to spend like a Democrat. The Democrats had complete power and managed to spend like...well, Democrats. Each side will play politics in order to pander to their base even if the other side has a good idea. Even as a conservative I'd say Republicans would do nothing much different than Democrats. They'd waste an assload of tax payer money on pet projects that result in little more than feelgood soundbites election time. They'd tell us it's for our own good because Government always knows better than us peons. The only good side is that Republicans typically spend more on science funding than Democrats. Despite talking out the side of their mouths to pander to the religious in this country.

"It depends on what kind of Republican they are"? Which Republicans are standing up for ""The new deal", Unemployment insurance, welfare, medicare, social security, child labor laws, the 4o hour work week, civil rights laws, hate crime laws ,envirnomental regulations & attempted wall street reform".
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10-03-2011, 06:55 PM
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(08-03-2011 11:19 PM)sosa Wrote:  To suggest that somehow the democratic party is responsible for those gains is absurd. Those were won by the working people. Both parties are equally as disgusting.

I'm with you on this.

First, for those of you who want to blame the Republicans for all the world's woes, I offer up to you the Emancipation Proclamation and the 14th Amendment. For those who believe the Democrats are somehow morally superior, I suggest you do some research on which party supported Jim Crowe laws in the south. I'll give you a hint: it was not the Republicans.

Btw, "attempted Financial reform" made me fall on the floor and convulse with laughter. Who stopped them? They had a majority in both houses. And, they "tried" in the weakest sense of the word. It was Democrats who took all the teeth out of that bill.

Both parties are equally culpable for our current problems. You all are free to believe otherwise, obviously, but the facts really say otherwise.

Almost forgot: some of you may want to do some research on the Civil Rights acts as well. You may be stunned with with what you learn.

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10-03-2011, 07:43 PM
 
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
(08-03-2011 11:19 PM)sosa Wrote:  To suggest that somehow the democratic party is responsible for those gains is absurd. Those were won by the working people. Both parties are equally as disgusting.

I hate it when people suggest that both parties are equally bad. One party is resposible for "The new deal", Unemployment insurance, welfare, medicare, social security, child labor laws, the 4o hour work week, civil rights laws, hate crime laws ,envirnomental regulations & attempted wall street reform. The other party fought hard to prevent these programs and still tries to weeken then to this day.

The Republican Party fought hard to prevent every one of those issues. Those were liberals walking hand in hand with Martin Luther King not Republicans.The Democrats lost the southern vote because of thier support for civil rights.Medicare was deemed by Reagan & Republicans as the next step to communism. Republicans have allways been pro bussiness & anti worker. They're against unions & they sided with the corporations who were against 40hr work week, child labor laws etc...Every Republican voted against THE hate crime bill & no Republicans supported any kind of wall street reform.To this day Republicans fight against these issues. Democrats have thier issues but they are not the same as Republicans & they do deserve credit for passing this legeslation..
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10-03-2011, 09:03 PM
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
repeating over and over doesn't make it anymore true

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11-03-2011, 09:32 AM
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
(10-03-2011 09:03 PM)sosa Wrote:  repeating over and over doesn't make it anymore true

Sure it does; how else do you explain the proliferation of religion.

Btw, the Democrats opposed much of the civil rights legislation and the hate crime bills are so Orwellian as to be positively frightening. I can't believe any thinking person supports the idea of "thought crimes", but there you go.

Oh, and you may wish to go see who Wall street donated the most money to in the entire history of donations. I'll give you a hint: his initials are Barack Obama.

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13-03-2011, 01:43 AM
RE: What if the Republicans ran everything?
Some of you sound almost religious in your defense of Democrats.

Liberty loving, gun owning Atheist. Don't worry it confuses the right as well.
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