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22-06-2011, 02:35 PM
What if your wrong!!
I get this a lot... as I am sure everyone does.. I have heard a lot of people, atheist and christen, give different answers. but I am curious to know something...

If you died today and stood before "GOD" is there really any way he could prove to you that "he" really is GOD? Sure he can turn himself into a bag of cotton candy or perform some magical trick. But, does a physical act attest to the validity of what someone or something says about itself?

I turn red when Christians try to bring up miracles as "proof" of what someone says or believes. At best it is a non sequiter... Even if Jesus Christ came down tomorrow he would have a hell of a time convincing me of who he was based on physical acts... I am not sure what it would take in either situation... What would it take for you?

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22-06-2011, 02:40 PM
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Surprisingly little...

Since he controls everything, the only thing he needs to do to convince me is set the "convinced" bit in my brain... Smile

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22-06-2011, 02:47 PM
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Well if I died and suddenly I was in this cloud city with angels, staring at a god (probably on a throne, eating angel food cake), I would first hope and assume that I'm dreaming. Then as time passed and I realized this was real, I would have to believe (in heaven, angels, and a god... I wouldn't assume that any of the religions were accurate). Though that doesn't mean I would grovel or try and reason with him. I'd call him an asshole and demand to know why he delights in torturing people. Maybe I could get a few words in before I go to hell, make him cry on his pillow that night.

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22-06-2011, 02:51 PM
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(22-06-2011 02:47 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  make him cry on his pillow that night.
He does that every night. He's very lonely you know...

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22-06-2011, 03:02 PM
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(22-06-2011 02:40 PM)The_observer Wrote:  Surprisingly little...

Since he controls everything, the only thing he needs to do to convince me is set the "convinced" bit in my brain... Smile

A deceitful move... if so played. ;-)

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22-06-2011, 07:50 PM
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I've thought about this many a time before and I always come to the same conclusion. I wouldn't care. I don't believe there is or isn't a god, and seeing one would still leave me with the same set of questions I have now, only maybe he could answer them for me. Doubtful though. I've asked myself if there is any answer I think there is that would satisfy me as to why everything is, and I came up with a resounding no. Whether there is a god or isn't is irrelevant because that question remains unanswered. Still it would freak me out a little bit. Especially when I realized I was going to hell.

Does anyone else think our suffering for eternity will become mundane and boring after a while? I mean I can get bored of anything given enough time. "Oh... the fire and whips again today... can't we try skin peeling, we haven't done that for a while... no... I see why this is hell."

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22-06-2011, 07:54 PM (This post was last modified: 22-06-2011 08:35 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: What if your wrong!!
Meh... wouldn't be the first time.

(22-06-2011 07:50 PM)lucradis Wrote:  Does anyone else think our suffering for eternity will become mundane and boring after a while?

Pretty sure pleasure and ecstasy would also become tiresome pretty quick. Do I really have to screw all these gorgeous women and gorge myself on all these delectable delights again today? I mean I sure as hell goddam hope everything's temporary, the alternatives feel intolerable.

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
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Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
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22-06-2011, 08:18 PM
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If I am wrong at least I would hang out with tons of cool people in hell.

Also... *points to signature*

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22-06-2011, 08:24 PM
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I sorta hope the christian god does exist, so I can spit in his face and ask to be sent to hell.

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22-06-2011, 09:32 PM
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I don't particularly think I'd be wrong as I see death as an adventure in itself. If it really was the pearly gates and St. Peter I'd be upset though, christians have such a boring afterlife idea. I'd much rather be a cat or something. If I was then addressed by "god", I would ask him what makes him think he can call himself god =p Would be interesting if I got to talk a while as there's pretty much nothing he could do to make up for earth =p

I'm not a non believer, I believe in the possibility of anything. I just don't let the actuality of something be determined by a 3rd party.
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