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16-10-2011, 02:03 PM
What is a kind?
Does anyone of you know the answer to this simple question???

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16-10-2011, 02:11 PM
 
RE: What is a kind?
(16-10-2011 02:03 PM)Germanatheist007 Wrote:  Does anyone of you know the answer to this simple question???

Huh

Elaborate please!
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16-10-2011, 04:46 PM
RE: What is a kind?
A made up classification of animals so that creationists can try to deny the existence of transitional species... Also handy for explaining how all the different "kinds" of animals could fit on the ark (still a bit ridiculous, but less so than with species). Lion, tiger, cougar, leopard, etc are all one "kind" according to creationists, for example.

At least that's how i understood it when i was a creationist.

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17-10-2011, 11:25 AM
RE: What is a kind?
Here are some answers to the question:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles.../bara-what

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...-wholphins

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...thin-kinds

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17-10-2011, 11:47 AM
RE: What is a kind?
Those definitions of kinds are based on definitions of phyla, classes, orders, families, genera and species. Organisms within the same phylum share certain characteristics. Such as the phylum arthropoda. Animals in this phylum are all segmented bodies with jointed legs and a hard exoskeleton. Continuing my example, subphylum Chilecerata contains scorpions, spiders, horseshoe crabs, and eurypterids but Class subdivides them further such as Class Merostomata that contains both scorpions and spiders while Order Arachnida contains only the spiders. Then you have the subdivision of families within an order and the subdivision within families of differing genera and finally differing species within a species. Depending on which definition of a species you use of course. One such definition that is most widely used is the Biological Species Concept which essentially means that two organisms are the same species if they can mate AND produce viable offspring. So, the example Theophilus gives of the Zonkeys and Zorses indicates they are distantly related back to the family Equinidae but the zebra and the horse are not close enough in relation to produce fertile offspring. Another definition is the Phylogenetic species concept but this one is more difficult. This divides species based on their evolutionary history and only a small portion of living animals have well enough defined evolutionary histories to do this with. The last (and as a paleontologist the one I use the most) is the morpholgical species concept. This compares the differing morphologies of different species and with enough differences they are divided into differing species. Back to the first example Theophilus gave with the penguins, we could look at the skeletal morphology of these different penguins and see that they are in fact very different from one another.

A "kind" is not used in science because everything given above is already included in the Linnean classification system and the different species concepts. "Kinds" of animals is a meaningless term.

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24-10-2011, 12:08 PM
RE: What is a kind?
Also worth noting that in this video posted on the "Seth's video debunked" thread made by PPsimmons he completely contradicts what Theo says is a kind. In his video a kind refers to male and female. So this serves to further discredit Theo's answer...who has yet to reply anyway.

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