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19-08-2014, 08:32 AM
RE: What is a proof?
Proof is where something works, this can go on to explain why something works, and that takes established points of reference into account in providing likelihood of it being true.

If we observe phenomena with as much detail as we can we have information to work on theories, but generally a logical proof is when a description strengthens what we gain from its function.
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19-08-2014, 08:41 AM
RE: What is a proof?
Ahh, it's the ontological path you are heading down then?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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19-08-2014, 09:21 AM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  What are the types of proofs?
Scientific Vs. Logical proofs


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Proof#Scientific_proof

Quote:It is often said that proof is for alcohol and mathematics, as these are really the only areas where proof has any real meaning. "Proof" is something that the opponents of science are always clamouring for, yet is not actually something that science suggests it will give - specifically in the common sense definition of "proof" that suggests that a claim has been proven 100%.

Surprisingly to some, science does not deal in proof, in spite of the word being associated with science a whole lot more than perhaps it should be. Scientists will throw around phrases like "we've just proved our theory" when they should know better, but this can be excusable human nature. With some theories its very difficult to not think of them as proven (Newton's laws of motion, for instance) which have always and will always describe objects within the limits of those theories. Science as a method, however, deals not in proof but in evidence, and perhaps disproof when the evidence contradicts a hypothesis.
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19-08-2014, 09:25 AM
RE: What is a proof?
I must admit, I rather fail to see the point in asking what we all know are disingenuously leading questions.

Certainly not when the answers are freely available to anyone with the barest proficiency at, you know, using the internet. There are all kinds of scientific and philosophical knowledge bases out there.

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19-08-2014, 09:40 AM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 09:21 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  What are the types of proofs?
Scientific Vs. Logical proofs


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Proof#Scientific_proof

Quote:It is often said that proof is for alcohol and mathematics, as these are really the only areas where proof has any real meaning. "Proof" is something that the opponents of science are always clamouring for, yet is not actually something that science suggests it will give - specifically in the common sense definition of "proof" that suggests that a claim has been proven 100%.

Surprisingly to some, science does not deal in proof, in spite of the word being associated with science a whole lot more than perhaps it should be. Scientists will throw around phrases like "we've just proved our theory" when they should know better, but this can be excusable human nature. With some theories its very difficult to not think of them as proven (Newton's laws of motion, for instance) which have always and will always describe objects within the limits of those theories. Science as a method, however, deals not in proof but in evidence, and perhaps disproof when the evidence contradicts a hypothesis.

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19-08-2014, 09:47 AM (This post was last modified: 19-08-2014 11:06 AM by pablo.)
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  This is an educational thread where we read, link and discuss acceptable theories and concepts regarding Logic, Proofs and science

What is intelligence?
What is logic?
What are the types of proofs?
Scientific Vs. Logical proofs

I may be wrong here, but you seem to be trying to set-up your own definitions of logic, proof, and science. I suspect once you've established the proper loopholes (rules of evidence) to allow your theories to seem logical, you'll then give us your "proof" of the existence of god.
Just a guess. Wink
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19-08-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 07:22 AM)Muslim Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 07:05 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  How about evidence? Drinking Beverage
Evidences are often used in science not Logic

Usually science is based on observations which can be considered as evidences if strong enough

Your understanding of the methods of science appear to be flawed.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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19-08-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  This is an educational thread where we read, link and discuss acceptable theories and concepts regarding Logic, Proofs and science

What is intelligence?
What is logic?
What are the types of proofs?
Scientific Vs. Logical proofs

Who gets to decide what's "acceptable" ?

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19-08-2014, 04:02 PM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  This is an educational thread where we read, link and discuss acceptable theories and concepts regarding Logic, Proofs and science

What is intelligence?
What is logic?
What are the types of proofs?
Scientific Vs. Logical proofs

You received some great answers, and I'll just add that the only acceptable 'proof' to support any theory and/or concept, would be proof that is verifiable, testable, and objective. Secular, and not religious. In other words, one's 'holy book' is not proof of ''God.''

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19-08-2014, 04:49 PM
RE: What is a proof?
(19-08-2014 08:08 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(19-08-2014 07:01 AM)Muslim Wrote:  This is an educational thread where we read, link and discuss acceptable theories and concepts regarding Logic, Proofs and science

Are we supposed to be educating you or are you supposed to be educating us or are we both educating lurkers who are reading this thread?

If you are intending to educate us, was this sentence deliberately meant to be patronising or is it something that you truly believe even though you do not know anyone here or what their backgrounds are?

I think he is in for an eye opening experience if he thinks he is going to waltz into TTA and teach us heathen atheists a thing or two...Laugh out load

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