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29-11-2016, 02:45 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 01:59 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  please tell me which facts are the best evidence for christianity

G'day mate, and welcome to the forum. Smile

Your question is a bit like asking what are the pros and cons of socialism or democracy, or psychology or stem-cell research. There are far too many arguments to be made in order to form any sort of cohesive one-size-fits-all answer on any forum.

Christianity's shortcomings are more than obvious to any rational thinker (as are all religions involving paranormal phenomena) and any of its perceived advantages are purely of a socioeconomic nature—friendship for the dispossessed; financial support for the socially disadvantaged; economic aid for ravaged countries; counselling services for the drug- and alcohol-dependent; aged care; provision of medical services and pre-school centres etc.

None of these things however requires the specific intervention of the churches; all can be (or hypothetically could be) provided by secular organisations or the government. One doesn't need the intervention of a purported supernatural entity in order to bring them about. And bear in mind the massive multi-million dollar tax relief all churches get in return for offering those humanitarian services—like 100 per cent!

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29-11-2016, 02:47 PM (This post was last modified: 29-11-2016 02:50 PM by Szuchow.)
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 02:36 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(29-11-2016 02:31 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You're not gonna find it. It doesn't make any falsifiable claims. Now the Bibble on the other hand. ....

What about the bible

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29-11-2016, 02:49 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
Isn't there anything in the bible that can be proven or disproven
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29-11-2016, 02:52 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 02:36 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(29-11-2016 02:31 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You're not gonna find it. It doesn't make any falsifiable claims. Now the Bibble on the other hand. ....

What about the bible

The bible is a book of myth:

The stories of creation- elements found in the earlier Enuma Elis

The story of Noah- found in the earlier Epic of Gilgamesh

The story of the Tower of Babel -found in the earlier Enmerkar and the Lord of Aratta

Gods derive their power from post-hoc rationalizations. -The Inquisition

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29-11-2016, 03:01 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 02:49 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  Isn't there anything in the bible that can be proven or disproven

Why are you asking?

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29-11-2016, 03:02 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 02:49 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  Isn't there anything in the bible that can be proven or disproven

As one of the other guys has said, the bible makes no falsifiable claims.

A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive of an observation or an argument which negates the statement in question. In this sense, falsify is synonymous with nullify, meaning to invalidate or "show to be false".

Examples: A scientific book says the speed of light is 299,792,458m/sec. That figure can be proven false given a more accurate means of measurement. The bible says that a donkey spoke to Balaam (Numbers 22:21-39). This claim is absolutely impossible to either verify or discount as untrue. (The fact that it's claimed Balaam spoke back to the donkey is merely a sign that Balaam was mentally unstable or drug-affected.) Thus Occam's Razor tells us that the default position has to be that the donkey didn't/couldn't speak to Balaam. In other words, the entire story is bullshit.

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29-11-2016, 03:14 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 03:01 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  
(29-11-2016 02:49 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  Isn't there anything in the bible that can be proven or disproven

Why are you asking?

I'm scared of going to hell
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29-11-2016, 03:22 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 03:14 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(29-11-2016 03:01 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Why are you asking?

I'm scared of going to hell

You need to learn about who wrote the bible and why:









Here's a hint- NONE of it is inspired by a god, most of it isn't even written to convey this god's nature, it was written to assert one priestly group's status over rival priestly groups.

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29-11-2016, 03:29 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
(29-11-2016 03:14 PM)Ask21771 Wrote:  
(29-11-2016 03:01 PM)Deesse23 Wrote:  Why are you asking?

I'm scared of going to hell

There are many things to fear in this life, and manmade religion isn't one of them. The religious you should be wary of though, a long time ago in my country all the citizens were forced to choose between christianity or death.
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29-11-2016, 03:31 PM
RE: What is the best evidence against Christianity
Well, if what you are asking for is a demonstration that what the bible says isn't factual then you can look at specific falsifiable claims to show that they didn't or couldn't happen.

Snakes and donkeys can't talk, so that is just silly myth.
There is no evidence of a global flood.
There are more animals in the fossil record than currently exist or existed at the time that the bible was written, which is why none of the extinct animals make an appearance in the bible.
Humans didn't come from dirt, we descended from the Great Apes.
The female sex didn't come from the male sex, it is literally the opposite.
The Earth isn't a flat disc as the bible says.
There is no firmament.
Stars aren't just points of light.

^the bible gets a lot of things wrong that you think the omniscient god of the universe would have told the persons he dictated it to. The evidence the bible is wrong is the evidence of all the stuff the bible gets wrong about the basics of our planet and universe. Not a very reliable text for truth when it can't get basic stuff correct. It reads as if it was written by ignorant men, because it was.

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