What is the next step in evolution?
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27-11-2011, 12:24 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(26-11-2011 11:09 PM)defacto7 Wrote:  
(26-11-2011 09:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If Kurzweil is right, it is that we become indistinguishable from and integrated with our technology.
Yes... I just love pianos. But I prefer Boesendorfer over Young Chang myself. sorry...

yeah, I mean Kurzweil very well could be wrong.

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27-11-2011, 12:44 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 12:24 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(26-11-2011 11:09 PM)defacto7 Wrote:  
(26-11-2011 09:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If Kurzweil is right, it is that we become indistinguishable from and integrated with our technology.
Yes... I just love pianos. But I prefer Boesendorfer over Young Chang myself. sorry...

yeah, I mean Kurzweil very well could be wrong.

If the ultimate measure of wrong has to be decided between me and Kurzweil... I would win that one.

Forget my jackass remarks... I agree with Kurzw. Though I think we will be phased out of the picture by our technology and it probably will be a "natural" process.

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27-11-2011, 01:05 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 12:44 AM)defacto7 Wrote:  
(27-11-2011 12:24 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(26-11-2011 11:09 PM)defacto7 Wrote:  
(26-11-2011 09:51 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  If Kurzweil is right, it is that we become indistinguishable from and integrated with our technology.
Yes... I just love pianos. But I prefer Boesendorfer over Young Chang myself. sorry...

yeah, I mean Kurzweil very well could be wrong.

If the ultimate measure of wrong has to be decided between me and Kurzweil... I would win that one.

Forget my jackass remarks...

What jackass remarks?

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27-11-2011, 01:11 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 01:05 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(27-11-2011 12:44 AM)defacto7 Wrote:  Forget my jackass remarks...

What jackass remarks?

Oh.. uh... never mind....

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27-11-2011, 01:23 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
...I saw myself emergent from the cascade, in the body, five years old. I had a practical knowledge of all encoded information. I sampled the universe. I chose a science. I existed for three centuries, observing; being love...

A vision nearly two years outdated. I pulled this stunt when I first became atheist, experimenting with dual-state identity. I yanked out the "encoding" of monkey and replaced it with my four lines of code; I / love / Gwyneth / Paltrow. I yanked out the "encoding" of self and replaced it with the silence of observation. These are the results:

4

Let's say it was four minutes of self-hypnosis. Let us further suppose that John Cantor is a paragon of virtue with no agenda to impart this post

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27-11-2011, 01:36 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 01:23 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Let us further suppose that John Cantor is a paragon of virtue with no agenda to impart this post

nah... but I like how you think!

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27-11-2011, 02:34 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 01:36 AM)defacto7 Wrote:  
(27-11-2011 01:23 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Let us further suppose that John Cantor is a paragon of virtue with no agenda to impart this post

nah... but I like how you think!

Oh, the irony! That the mighty, immortal demigod John Cantor had to pause in his arrogant posting to beat the food out of his laptop just like the little people... Big Grin

Where was I?

We know exactly fuck-all.

...wait a minute. What do you mean, you like how I think? The Cascade? It is a simulation of future; for all intents and purposes, I used somebody else's mind to do the simulation. Or the expression of integrity? The standard occupation of will - the "day job" - is a continuous assessment of the "technology" of zero-state; which simply means I must be as true as possible at all times. It's that dang Gwynnies - she's a harsh taskmistress...

...mmmn... harsh taskmistress Gwyneth...

OK, I'm better now. Here's the facts: through humanity, the universe is 4 from 3. That means, if we fuck the dog and vaporize the Milky Way with the Large Hadron Collider; we are already forgiven. I cannot help but think there is "green agenda" at work in these considerations; that so many individuals depreciate their dual-state identity by trying to "identify" with Nature, even as they limit Nature to this insignificant "pale blue dot."

I don't identify myself as "immortal demigod" to make me into something I'm not, it is a classification of biology whereas homo sapiens sapiens sapiens seems more presumptive. From the last post:

I performed an experiment, there was an experience; I cannot undo what has been done. If there is a history needing to be sorted, the Cascade began when mathematics proved the collective consciousness. I ain't nobody, I'm less than nobody; but I am insane in the manner of beneficial mutation. In that manner, the "next step in evolution" is here pecking keys.

And to see the Big Picture is to know there is no Big Picture; it is fractal all the way up, duality all the way down. (nope, not turtles) 5 follows 4; but having dual-state identity + the identity of 4 = extant 5, conscious collective. In terms of simple cause and effect?

The next step in our evolution could be effect from a cause from a congruent "pale blue dot" in the Betelgeuse sector. Tomorrow. In time for the holidays. The only "responsibility" the individual of this continuum need express is to be an atheist, to use critical thinking, to know evolution has selected against religion.

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27-11-2011, 08:09 AM
 
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
(27-11-2011 02:34 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I cannot help but think there is "green agenda" at work in these considerations; that so many individuals depreciate their dual-state identity by trying to "identify" with Nature, even as they limit Nature to this insignificant "pale blue dot."

Those of us who do walk on the ground, sleep at night, ingest food, shit in the toilet (or in the woods), use our brains to solve practical problems, try to see patterns in our immediate circles, while widening the circle step by step, making sure we deal with reality as opposed to fantasy.

Fantasy also has a role: both as entertainment and as inspiration but we think in more or less coherent sentences, able to explain our reasoning, connecting it to bedrock observable reality so we know what we are talking about.

Nature is all around us, within us, including us: we breath it, we drink it, we eat it, we depend on it.

We could mix words more or less randomly: verbs, nouns, adjectives, in whatever order it feels right but it does not change the fact that when we are hungry we seek food, produced by people who believed in Nature and obeyed her rules.

It was GirlyMan who advised me, a while ago, to go in "baby-steps" to make sure that we are still walking on the ground and not falling flat on our faces.

It was good advice.

I know that this thread is about the next step in evolution but it would be nice to see it as a real step, leading to it from where we are, as a plausible, logical extension.

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Let me quote the OP to remind us what this thread is really supposed to be about:

Quote:Let’s suppose, for argument’s sake, that we do not self-destruct.

It means that there will have to be a turning point in our downward slide.

How smart do we have to be to survive?

What current attitudes do we have to evolve from in order to make it?

I will list a few, see if you want to add your own.

- greed
- paranoia
- apathy
- gullibility
- extremism
- rigidity
- mistrust of reason
- lack of compassion

These are just a few I could think of but, to me, these explain most of the problems mankind has been struggling with for millennium.
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27-11-2011, 09:11 AM
RE: What is the next step in evolution?
Thanks for the reminder, Zat. I seriously need to GTFO Arizona. I'm getting paid next week... Big Grin

I got these 4 words - morality, faith, truth, love - I figure we're stuck with 'em. So if we get rid of all the other words... Wink

Ok. Class action suit. Who's in? We sue the US government to classify "hell" as pornography. That's a start. We make religion GTFO. That's a step. Then it's peace, love, and small furry animals.

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