What is the origin of The Devil?
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08-01-2014, 09:31 PM
RE: What is the origin of The Devil?
(08-01-2014 03:13 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  BlackMason,
Although Chronicles does appear in the Bible earlier than Job, Job is chronologically older and is accepted by most scholars as the oldest book in the Bible. Technically, RobbyPants is correct, but don't let him know that.
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That is not technically correct. Chronicles is merely placed earlier in the Christian Old Testament ordering. In the Hebrew Bible, it is the last book. In Job, in the original Hebrew, it is hassatan, 'the adversary,' not Satan acting independently.

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09-01-2014, 06:57 AM
RE: What is the origin of The Devil?
(08-01-2014 09:31 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  In Job, in the original Hebrew, it is hassatan, 'the adversary,' not Satan acting independently.

That's the point. "Satan" went from being a generic, nameless adversary/accuser to being an entity named Satan who is The Deceiver and the ultimate villain in Christianity. Your average Christian will totally assume that The Lord of Lies is "the adversary" mentioned in Job.

Christians love retconning the Old Testament to match their New Testament narratives. It's why things that talk about a very literal life and death get remapped to spiritual life and death. No, back then, YHWH just said he'd fuggin kill ya and be done with it. Now, he sends you to hell!
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09-01-2014, 08:09 AM
RE: What is the origin of The Devil?
(08-01-2014 09:31 PM)Diogenes of Mayberry Wrote:  
(08-01-2014 03:13 PM)docskeptic Wrote:  BlackMason,
Although Chronicles does appear in the Bible earlier than Job, Job is chronologically older and is accepted by most scholars as the oldest book in the Bible. Technically, RobbyPants is correct, but don't let him know that.
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That is not technically correct. Chronicles is merely placed earlier in the Christian Old Testament ordering. In the Hebrew Bible, it is the last book. In Job, in the original Hebrew, it is hassatan, 'the adversary,' not Satan acting independently.

I should have clarified that Job was composed earlier than the Book of Chronicles. Scholars date Job to 600-500 BCE and Chronicles to 400-300 BCE. The placement of the book in the canon, Protestant, Catholic or Jewish is immaterial to the topic at hand, viz. when was Satan mentioned for the very first time.
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