Poll: What motivates you to life a good and fulfilling life?
This is the only life I have.
There is an afterlife and if I stuff up I burn forever, etc...
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06-05-2012, 10:18 PM
RE: What motivates you most?
Finitude

The old gods are dead, let's invent some new ones before something really bad happens.
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06-05-2012, 10:49 PM (This post was last modified: 06-05-2012 10:50 PM by houseofcantor.)
RE: What motivates you most?
(06-05-2012 08:09 PM)Dom Wrote:  Ah, but unnecessary phantasies lead you to places you would never go otherwise, and once in a while you find a useful speck.

Dammit. You caught me being a troll. Tongue
(06-05-2012 10:18 PM)Thomas Wrote:  Finitude

Where's yer evidence that anything ends? Tongue

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07-05-2012, 01:40 PM
RE: What motivates you most?
The first option, bathed in huge chunks of emotional happiness and goal-setting, is the only one we can tangibly care aboot.

Pardon my ignorance for saying this while possessing only a cursory level of knowledge of Jewish practices, but, based on what I've experienced, their practitioners seemed to be far more focused on earthly life. I've wondered if this mindset is the result of not really buying into the afterlife.

By the way, I'm not sure that I've known many Christians in my life who do good things simply to avoid the idea of a Hell. They're all doing good for goodness' sake and because they themselves are good without applying the credit where it belongs.
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07-05-2012, 04:46 PM
RE: What motivates you most?
(06-05-2012 10:49 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(06-05-2012 10:18 PM)Thomas Wrote:  Finitude

Where's yer evidence that anything ends? Tongue

Everything eventually ends and nothing ever really begins. Some statements I consider axiomatic. Tongue

As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen.
And I will show you something different from either
Your shadow at morning striding behind you
Or your shadow at evening rising to meet you;
I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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08-05-2012, 01:10 AM
RE: What motivates you most?
Family,Friends,Knowledge And Socialism.

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
-Karl Marx


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08-05-2012, 01:27 AM
RE: What motivates you most?
I didn't read the OP .... but I voted and i'll answer...
This is the only exsistance i've known... I was fortunate enough to have been born in a free state (USA) .. and given a chance to question the belief of god or otherwise....
I have come to conclude that organized religion is the greatest downfall of human evalution ever!. It is a hinderance of the future of mandkind... Jesus is a fictionous character as well as Mohammed.... Our future of humanity derives on our true unthriving quest for knowledge of what we do not understand yet.... in Medicine... Sciece.. Humanitariusm.. I encourage everything that will drive our humanity ahead! I wish for the success and triumph of our exsistance.!
Organized religion slows down that progress.. the progress of human evolution...
FUCK the idea of some God... .. give praise and respect to the power of natural evolution.. space, time, evolution is my higher power!...
wanna challenge me to that statement ... ? You can't prove a God exists so shut your face!

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -- Voltaire
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08-05-2012, 06:22 AM (This post was last modified: 08-05-2012 06:27 AM by houseofcantor.)
RE: What motivates you most?
(08-05-2012 01:27 AM)ddrew Wrote:  You can't prove a God exists so shut your face!

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Noticed you're a little low.
(07-05-2012 04:46 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Everything eventually ends and nothing ever really begins. Some statements I consider axiomatic. Tongue

Mornings are get out of bed, make coffee, walk the dog. This morning, there was a cat on me.
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08-05-2012, 10:57 AM
 
RE: What motivates you most?
(06-05-2012 08:02 AM)Starcrash Wrote:  I agree. Both thoughts can be highly motivational. However, I think it's reasonable to conclude that the "heaven" premise makes life logically worthless. So you've accepted Jesus Christ as your savior, right? You've won your way to heaven, and nothing else you do in your life matters --- it's all immaterial and going to decay and it's not where your priorities or values lie. You could gather up "treasures in heaven", but these treasures don't buy fuck-all and even if they gave you prestige (such as the crowns that are also proposed as heavenly gifts), that prestige doesn't have the value that it has on Earth because there's no status or special treatment. It doesn't matter how much your faith grows because you won't have need of it once everything's revealed and you know everything. It doesn't matter how much your knowledge of the bible grows for the same reason. And it doesn't matter how close your walk with God is because there's no sin in Heaven and everybody gets as close to God as they possibly could.

Excellent points. And if I were a Christian, I'd argue with you, but I'm not, so I agree. A revised description of Veridicanism can be found in my latest blog post at http://www.veridican.com

There you will see that a Veridican considers this life to be training for the next higher existence on an individual's lucid spiritual plane. And actually, it may take several reincarnations to attain the skills to successfully live on that plane.

Quote:If you buy into the heaven hypothesis, Earth is just a door mat --- a place to wipe your feet before entering the place that matters. How motivated are you to make the most of your time on the door mat? Well, if you spend years and years on the door mat, I'm sure you'd have to find a way to make it seem like your time here isn't wasted or pointless.

Actually, the atheist view is as pointless as the Christian view. If there is no rhyme or reason to anything, and if at death everything will be lost, including memories, loves, desires, intents and purposes, then nothing in this life is worth pursuing. There is no reason to live it other than to keep surviving, which represents a cruel loss of dignity for any thinking being. It seems like commons sense that if something has no purpose, it is not worthy of existence.

But I have come to this line of reasoning based on some observations:

Paramecium seem to be conscious and to have memory but have no brain or nervous system whatsoever.

Animals have instincts which represent knowledge without learning.

My brain can't possibly hold my memories and skills.

Something I consider "me" is stable and observes my thoughts and sensations.

I have had many episodes of precognition and three dramatic episodes which I cannot deny; a physical based consciousness could not produce precognition.

For these reasons, I do not believe consciousness is produced by the brain.

In fact the only logical definition of God implies my consciousness comes from His consciousness. Therefore, consciousness cannot be generated by the brain.

Because I don't believe it is produced by the brain, I believe it doesn't not extinguish at death.

Now, any time I am asleep, I am dreaming.

I have had many lucid dreams, some of which I have remained in for some time.

When I die, therefore, I expect to enter a dream. Why wouldn't I?

If I know I am dead, the dream should become lucid.

If I don't, I would expect to become lucid given enough time in the dream state.

If I am dead and lucid within a dream state, there should be no time limit on that state (unless God ends it).

In a lucid dream I am a god. In fact, I am "the" god of that universe.

If I am in that higher state, I will need wisdom and self-control to execute it correctly.

I attain that wisdom and self-control through trials and tribulations here on this lower plane of existence.

In fact, I may have to incarnate hundreds of times in order to obtain the skills I need for my lucid spiritual plane.

That's the abc's of my faith.
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08-05-2012, 11:48 AM
RE: What motivates you most?
Thing I like about Egor? He makes my Gwynnie thing seem sane. Big Grin

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08-05-2012, 12:52 PM
RE: What motivates you most?
I used to get pretty depro 'cos I couldn't buy the idea of eternal life...

Nowadays... I find that just doing stuff to the best of my ability is what brings me happiness. You know, like the old story of the carpenter who carefully finishes the wood even in the parts of his work that no one will ever see... I totally get that guy Smile

Also spending time with friends and not really giving a damn about death. It's coming, there's fuck all we can do about it...

Ecclesiastes - Egor I'm sure you're familiar with it. Here's some verses from chapter 9: (NIV)
Quote:7 Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for God has already approved what you do. 8 Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil. 9 Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun—all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. 10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the realm of the dead, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.
The guy who wrote that book was a pretty smart cookie - best book of the Bible by a long way IMO.
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