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03-02-2014, 01:36 AM
Question What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Sometimes people use labels incorrectly, or add more to a label than they should.

Sometimes there are people who agree on a policy, but have defined labels incorrectly, and so result in unnecessarily infighting.

Example.
One person labels themselves an agnostic. They think it means they don't believe in a God, but aren't hostile towards the religious. They think Atheist means someone who is hostile towards the religious.

Second person labels themselves an atheist. They think it means they don't believe in a God, but aren't hostile towards the religious. They think agnosticism means being atheistic but being apologetic towards the religious, and is fine promoting religiosity in society.

Even though these two people agree on policies, they're first few encounters are probably going to be hostile due to getting the wrong opinion of one another due to wrong definitions.

So, I'd like to hear everyone's political definitions. I'm looking for your immediate definition for these terms/labels - if you had to respond to someone right away without having to look it up for a definition.

Please be specific as you can.

Nazism-
Fascism-
Capitalism-
Socialism-
Communism-
Statist-
Anarchist-
Libertarian-
Imperialism-
Free market-
Racism-
Patriarchy-
Feminism-
Sexism-
Taxation-
Abortion-
Freedom-
The second amendment-
Free speech-
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03-02-2014, 02:17 AM (This post was last modified: 03-02-2014 02:43 AM by Moodie.)
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Brilliant thread idea - thanks - here's my defs done without notes or internet - you have been warned.

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Nazism- My country/ethnic group should be running the show cuz we foolishly think we iz innately superior - get rid of vulnerable groups and any opposition - make sure to take their stuff .... allow hate to flourish for the sake of the Fatherland. War, war, war.

Fascism- A syndicate of social groups/classes dedicated to the strong state under a charismatic leader.

Capitalism- free market competition which gives each according to their luck, talent/popularity characterised by the top guys pay people to do work for them at the lowest rate they can get away with. Like democracy, the worst system except for all the others????

Socialism- Common ownership especially of natural monopolies eg energy, water, public transport .... extending to housing, health and environment etc. [People's taxes allow democratic government to direct how these are managed - payment is either free at the point of use or should be reduced because no owners looking to profit and no shareholders except the people].

Communism- Extends socialism to almost all products and services in a government-guided economy, working on behalf of working people 'from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs'.

Statist- Err .... someone who believes in sovereign states - Virginia Woolf said 'as a woman my country is the whole world' ...

Anarchist- Power devolves to the smallest group wherever possible.

Libertarian- personal freedom more important than government/social direction.

Imperialism- Taking over and managing another country for financial gain and prestige.

Free market- No rules to say how products and services are bought or sold.

Racism- fooling yourself through ignorance into thinking one racial group is better than another in terms of everything you value - with consequences of superiority, hate, excusing exploitation and sadism.

Patriarchy- Domination of men in society, to the detriment of women.

Feminism- Believing women and men are of equal worth, supporting women in the face of any unfair disadvantage and exploitation.

Sexism- Errr .... the opposite of feminism? Also applies to some feminists ... not me of course.

Taxation- Government takes a proportion of your income to manage the state.

Abortion- Terminating the life of a foetus [fetus] within a woman's womb - often happens naturally [good ol nature] or done medically to prevent foetus becoming a baby/woman giving birth, usually with but sometimes without the woman's consent.

Freedom- choice: escape *from* stuff you don't want and/or being allowed to do whatever you want [just another word for nothing else to lose?]

The second amendment- I'm English so this is a guess - separation of religion and the state? Wish we had that here.

Free speech - I may disagree with you entirely but I support ['defend to the death!'] your right to say what you like, however hateful or ignorant, because you also accept mine.
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03-02-2014, 02:22 AM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Immediate thoughts:
...

Nazism- Vosur
Fascism- PleaseJesus
Capitalism- All the theists who spell "truth" and "the word" as "Truth" and "the Word"
Socialism- Stark Raving
Communism- Girly
Statist- Jeff (USA, fuck yeah! thread)
Anarchist- Luminon
Libertarian- Frank
Imperialism- Muffsy
Free market- Muffsy
Racism- Muffsy
Patriarchy- Muffsy
Feminism- Muffsy
Sexism- Muffsy
Taxation- Muffsy
Abortion- Muffsy
Freedom- Muffsy
The second amendment- All the ladies here. And they should have the right to bare not only their arms but all their other bits, too.
Free speech- Chippy

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03-02-2014, 02:56 AM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Nazism - A supremacist ideology shared by all pure-blooded Aryan men.
Fascism - See above.
Capitalism - Fuck bitches, get money.
Socialism - Get paid for sitting around on your ass all day.
Communism - Everyone has the same income.
Statist - New World Order.
Anarchist - Fuck the government.
Libertarian - Smoke weed every day.
Imperialism - Fuck indigenous people.
Free market - Monopolies.
Racism - Fuck niggers and Chinks.
Patriarchy - Men ruling women.
Feminism - Women whining about inequality.
Sexism - Men beating women for whining about inequality.
Taxation - Something to be evaded whenever possible.
Abortion - Only practiced by atheistic evolutionist baby killers.
Freedom - Guantanamo Bay.
The second amendment - The right to buy bear arms.
Free speech - Haters gonna hate.

I think that sounds about right. Consider

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03-02-2014, 03:02 AM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
(03-02-2014 02:56 AM)Vosur Wrote:  ...
Freedom - Guantanamo Bay.
...

Damn! This kid knows irony!

Don't ever move to Murika.

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03-02-2014, 06:00 AM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Nazism- A belief that white people are superior.
Fascism- Dictator like ruling system.
Capitalism- A free market that encourages competition.
Socialism- A system that involves the people more.
Communism-
Statist-
Anarchist- A person who does not wish for rules but instead relies on mutual respect.
Libertarian-
Imperialism-
Free market- A market that is "regulated" to be "free"
Racism- Somebody who has been taught or through lack of knowledge fears difference.
Patriarchy- The question of men in leadership/numbers.
Feminism- An ideology that is self serving for females only.
Sexism- Defining someones abilities by their gender.
Taxation- A method of collecting money.
Abortion- The termination of an undeveloped life.
Freedom- The right for a person to do whatever they wish but only if it falls/is within the laws of the lands they are in.
The second amendment-
Free speech- Having the opportunity to say what you want in an envirorment that wont hurt/kill you for it.

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You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

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03-02-2014, 01:35 PM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
Nazism- Hitler's ideas.
Fascism- Thinking your race is better than the others and persecuting them.
Capitalism- Masses get poorer and poorer while rich people get richer.
Socialism- Transitional phase for communism.
Communism- Actual anarchism.
Statist- A person? Statism maybe? The state controlling everything.
Anarchist- Person who wants anarchy but doesn't know how to get it.
Libertarian- I don't know, we don't use that word in Greece.
Imperialism- Trying to rule over other countries (whether they know it or not).
Free market- Not really sure. No state control?
Racism- Discrimination (of any kind) based on race.
Patriarchy- Men being dominant in any aspect of life.
Feminism- Supporting women's rights (I avoid to use the term because I do feel it has some bad connotations).
Sexism- Discrimination (of any kind) based on gender.
Taxation- A definition for this? Ugh. Making people pay so you can take care of their prosperity.
Abortion- Stopping a pregnancy.
Freedom- Doing whatever the hell you want to do as long as you don't hurt others.
The second amendment- I'm Greek you damn Yankees Dodgy
Free speech- Being able to say or publish anything you want without being inhibited by any law.

Is this what you wanted?

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03-02-2014, 10:02 PM
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
(03-02-2014 02:22 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Immediate thoughts:
...

Nazism- Vosur
Fascism- PleaseJesus
Capitalism- All the theists who spell "truth" and "the word" as "Truth" and "the Word"
Socialism- Stark Raving
Communism- Girly
Statist- Jeff (USA, fuck yeah! thread)
Anarchist- Luminon
Libertarian- Frank
Imperialism- Muffsy
Free market- Muffsy
Racism- Muffsy
Patriarchy- Muffsy
Feminism- Muffsy
Sexism- Muffsy
Taxation- Muffsy
Abortion- Muffsy
Freedom- Muffsy
The second amendment- All the ladies here. And they should have the right to bare not only their arms but all their other bits, too.
Free speech- Chippy

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04-02-2014, 07:16 PM (This post was last modified: 04-02-2014 07:43 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
(03-02-2014 02:22 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
Communism- Girly

I'll have you know that I am a 30 year voting-lifelong registered Grand Old Partier, sir. Girl_nails Big Grin

(03-02-2014 01:36 AM)PoolBoyG Wrote:  
Nazism-
Fascism-
Capitalism-
Socialism-
Communism-
Statist-
Anarchist-
Libertarian-
Imperialism-
Free market-
Racism-
Patriarchy-
Feminism- an impedance to the inevitable evolution of the Matriarchy
Sexism-
Taxation-
Abortion-
Freedom-
The second amendment-
Free speech-

The fact that Matriarchy appears nowhere on that list is the best evidence that we are destined to evolve into a matriarchy. Clever girls.

"Well, I came up with the idea at least 20 years ago that we needed more women in politics. It would take a different turn. And I suggested that men be barred from political office. They could do everything else, be president of universities, business leaders, but they just couldn’t serve in any elected position for 100 years." - Ted Turner





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06-02-2014, 10:27 PM (This post was last modified: 06-02-2014 10:32 PM by Moodie.)
RE: What's in a name. How do you define these terms/labels?
So as a person living in UK, I've learned 2 things:

The true meaning of the second amendment - wonder whether more atheists want to get rid of guns than theists? If not, why not?

The concept of freedom according to American atheists seems to assume we all got the same choices - what?????

Oh yer, the 3rd thing - I have absolutely *no* sense of humour [humor] soo goodbye to you fine atheist peeps, I'm off to Wikepedialand ....

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