What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
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28-08-2014, 12:37 PM
What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
Can someone explain me the differences please?
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28-08-2014, 12:42 PM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
I don't know...

What is the difference between naturalism and materialism?


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28-08-2014, 12:49 PM
Re: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
Context is everything.

Scientifically, next to nothing. Philosophical Social naturalism/materialism means practically near opposites; At least severely juxtaposing.

I've only heard materialist used in a negative connotation.

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28-08-2014, 01:13 PM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
To make my post clear, i mean scientifically!
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28-08-2014, 11:04 PM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
Scientifically speaking the materialists are demonstrably wrong. From google:

Quote:PHILOSOPHY
the doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.

Dark matter, dark energy, and anti matter are not technically matter.

I think more accurately naturalists are materialists. Science is an extension of naturalist philsophy. It basically means everything in the universe can be explain by... things in the universe. I am not sure if there is a difference.
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29-08-2014, 04:19 AM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
Here's how I'd differentiate them:

Naturalism is the view that reality is constrained to what's rationally possible (so no magic, no spirits, no transcendent reality).

Materialism takes an extra step. It takes the view that physical matter is the primary reality and that everything else is a derivation of matter. Essentially, materialism depreciates feelings and emotions in favour of purely objective knowings. Materialism is a form of reductive naturalism.

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29-08-2014, 04:28 AM
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(29-08-2014 04:19 AM)phil.a Wrote:  Here's how I'd differentiate them:

Naturalism is the view that reality is constrained to what's rationally possible (so no magic, no spirits, no transcendent reality).

Materialism takes an extra step. It takes the view that physical matter is the primary reality and that everything else is a derivation of matter. Essentially, materialism depreciates feelings and emotions in favour of purely objective knowings. Materialism is a form of reductive naturalism.

Phil

What makes you draw those conclusions?

Do you know of people who use those labels in those contexts for themselves?

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29-08-2014, 04:55 AM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
(28-08-2014 12:49 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Context is everything.

Scientifically, next to nothing. Philosophical Social naturalism/materialism means practically near opposites; At least severely juxtaposing.

I've only heard materialist used in a negative connotation.

I saw Hitchens once refer to himself as a materialist, with a positively proud stature!

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29-08-2014, 05:31 AM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
(29-08-2014 04:28 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(29-08-2014 04:19 AM)phil.a Wrote:  Here's how I'd differentiate them:

Naturalism is the view that reality is constrained to what's rationally possible (so no magic, no spirits, no transcendent reality).

Materialism takes an extra step. It takes the view that physical matter is the primary reality and that everything else is a derivation of matter. Essentially, materialism depreciates feelings and emotions in favour of purely objective knowings. Materialism is a form of reductive naturalism.

Phil

What makes you draw those conclusions?

Do you know of people who use those labels in those contexts for themselves?

It's based on interpreting a deconstruction of what I see from the framework of my understanding of developmental psychology and human structures of cognition.

I guess I have heard those labels used in those sort of contexts by other people who have knowledge of developmental psychology, although to be honest I spend far more time speaking my own truths than I do regurgitating other people's truths, so it's quite possible nobody has ever put it quite like I have done above.

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29-08-2014, 08:33 AM
RE: What's the difference between naturalism and materialism?
Thank you for your replies!

Materialism is the view that the only matter exists. (matter includes energy and other scientific discoveries).

Naturalism is the idea or belief that nothing exists beyond the natural world.

So after some thinking i came to this conclusion. Naturalism is an assumption about the nature of the universe, and materialism is a way of understand the universe.
I will like to hear your opinions on this!
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