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28-10-2016, 04:45 PM
What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
My guess - neither is a problem to party loyalists.

They will vote for their lizard regardless.

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28-10-2016, 05:06 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
What's worse? An unstable narcissistic megalomaniac or a bought and paid for politician?

The megalomaniac is always worse because he can and likely will start a world war.

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28-10-2016, 05:11 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
So I been getting these annual security briefings and they point out that they often occur together. It's one of the most used recruiting methods. Well in the developed world at least. "If she's out of your league Bob then she's a hooker or a spy. Either way you're fucked. And not in a good way."

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28-10-2016, 05:12 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
You don't have to choose one or the other.

Trump invited the Russians to hack the election, and is a sexual predator.

It's a two-fer.

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28-10-2016, 05:57 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
(28-10-2016 05:06 PM)Dom Wrote:  What's worse? An unstable narcissistic megalomaniac or a bought and paid for politician?

The megalomaniac is always worse because he can and likely will start a world war.

Donald Trump fits all the criteria of a dictatorial personality. He is a pathological liar. He has no regard for nor has he ever read the Constitution of the US and has no curiosity of it's contents. His understanding of how the government works is less than a 4th grade level. He thinks he can abolish freedom of the press at will or jail opponents without due course of law. He only wants to win the election for one person....himself. He fits the mold of a Kim Jong Un and Putin, both whom have supported him. Birds of a feather......

I would vote for Richard Nixon long before I'd ever vote for Donald Trump and that's saying alot because Richard Nixon was an out and out crook. But at least, for god's sake, Nixon understood how the Senate and House of Representative worked. He was a member of both. He read history books was knowledgeable about law and the constitution. He knew how to compromise. Yes, even Richard Nixon could compromise.

With a narcissistic, paranoid, pathological, dictatorial personality that is Donald Trump no one is safe. This is the very type of personality who would find a way to override the Constitution and remove gun ownership or other freedoms. He cares about no one but himself. He is a menace to our Constitution and the civilized world.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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28-10-2016, 06:08 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2016 06:12 PM by RocketSurgeon76.)
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
(ETA: This is in reply to Onlinebiker's comments, above. Just didn't feel like quoting for the reply.)

You're ignoring the intent element, which is the most important part of moral reasoning.

You can't simply say "compromising national security" without adding "accidentally" [edit: you could also say "negligently", but it doesn't change the equation for my point, here], in Clinton's case. She was careless, yes, but I strongly doubt it has ever been her intention other than to do what she thinks is in the best interests of the United States. You can disagree with everything she stands for policy-wise (I certainly disagree with much of her agenda) and disdain her as a member of a both-parties Political Establishment™ that needs to stop being in power in the USA, but don't cast aspersions on her character as a patriotic American. Most likely, she's just a grandma who doesn't know all the ramifications of the "newfangled" technologies to which she (like all of us) is being forced to adapt.

In Trump's case, he is willfully and I'd say gleefully taking advantage of any woman he can exert his power over, revealing a major character flaw (sexual predator of the worst kind: the one who thinks that because he has power, he gets to do what he wants). He is revealing a basic contempt for fellow human beings that should appall you.

It's not about who sides with whom because of their political biases. The actions of Trump should appall you no matter what party you belong to... and the fact that you can even begin to ramp up Clinton's careless fuck-up with the computer email system to the point it compares to the daily contempt Trump shows for everything that is not him (or his interests) simply blows me away.

Really? Is that what conservativism has come to?

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28-10-2016, 06:49 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2016 06:53 PM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
Considering only one of the candidates actually encompasses both traits (with a whole bucketful of other equally charming characteristics to boot), I'm not sure it's worth even contemplating the toll of either individually.

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28-10-2016, 09:24 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
(28-10-2016 04:45 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  My guess - neither is a problem to party loyalists.

They will vote for their lizard regardless.

In democracy, ou get the candidates you deserve. They can't be much different (better or worse) than the population they stem from.

Donald Trump is the incarnation, the stereotype of a large portion of the USA and how this country is perceived around the world: a self important, rich, uncouth, vain, loud, lazy, self centered, bigoted, hypocritical and judgemental bully.

Hillary Clinton is the one of the best representation of what an American politician is (no wonder most people qualify her as the most prohiminent women politician in US history). She is exactly what American politician should strive to be and, because of this, is hated because USA geo-political position is at the polar opposite of the image its population wants to project. She is hawkish, technocratic, scheming, devious and interventionist.

As for the two most prohiminent third party candidate Gary Jonhson is a man firmly believing in a socio-economical system that was demonstrated to be desastrous for healthcare, environment and education (and actualy not all that great to create jobs) so often, especially in recent years, that one needs to wonder if he wasn't teloported from a 130 years ago.

As for Stein, lets say she has more good intention than knowledge of how a country of this size and position in the globe is working; neither does she seems to understand the American political system to ennact her proposed reform.

Despite all of this, all those candidates propose at least a few elements that are more than desirable and intelligent to improve Americans lives (or at least deal with their shit). Messiah, saviors and heroes are just in mythology and stories. You will find plenty of lices even on the cleanest head of the human race from Martin Luther King to Nelson Mandela and Louis Pasteur.

All hail the Lizard Kings for we are their people.

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28-10-2016, 10:07 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2016 10:11 PM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
(28-10-2016 05:06 PM)Dom Wrote:  What's worse? An unstable narcissistic megalomaniac or a bought and paid for politician?

The megalomaniac is always worse because he can and likely will start a world war.

We have even more of a reason to consider this aspect now as well. http://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-sh...ail-454902

Wherein Trump says if diplomacy with Russia would fail, we should shoot down their planes. So, to the people saying Trump is somehow "less likely to start a world war" on the "likelihood of starting a world war" scale-o-meter, nope. You have nothing. Can't wriggle your way out of this one.

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31-10-2016, 03:14 PM
RE: What's worse? Sexual predation or compromising National Security?
(28-10-2016 04:45 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  My guess - neither is a problem to party loyalists.

They will vote for their lizard regardless.

......Except for one small thing: The investigation into the emails determined that they did not, in fact, compromise national security.

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