What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
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27-06-2017, 09:33 AM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
(27-06-2017 08:20 AM)Emma Wrote:  
(26-06-2017 06:52 PM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  They lost #11: Don't be a jerk.

Catholics rewrote that one as "Don't jerk it."

Maybe #11 was the legal disclaimer in fineprint explaining that the bible and everything it was to be taken as satire.

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27-06-2017, 05:07 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
Gawd gave the 10 commandments to Moses in Exodus 20. After Moses broke the tablets, Gawd gave them to Moses again in Exodus 34... but not really "again" because they weren't the same as the first set. And there is also Deuteronomy 5 with yet another version of Gawd's commandments. Gawd itself doesn't even know its own commandments apparently.

Also, many (if not all) of the 10 commandments illustrate Gawd's needs - something a perfect being wouldn't have.

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27-06-2017, 06:12 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
To quote George Carlin, why TEN commandments? Why that number, ten? It's a psychologically satisfying number, that's why TEN commandments are cited in the Bible. One syllable, divisible by five, ten is a powerful number.
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27-06-2017, 06:16 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
(27-06-2017 05:07 PM)Impulse Wrote:  Gawd gave the 10 commandments to Moses in Exodus 20. After Moses broke the tablets, Gawd gave them to Moses again in Exodus 34... but not really "again" because they weren't the same as the first set. And there is also Deuteronomy 5 with yet another version of Gawd's commandments. Gawd itself doesn't even know its own commandments apparently.

Also, many (if not all) of the 10 commandments illustrate Gawd's needs - something a perfect being wouldn't have.

Exodus 34 is the best set, and the only one called "the ten commandments"

(11) Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite.
(12) Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
(13) But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
(14) For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God:
(15) Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and [one] call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
(16) And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
(17) Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
(18) The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
(19) All that openeth the matrix [is] mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, [whether] ox or sheep,
(20) But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem [him] not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
(21) Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
(22) And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
(23) Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
(24) For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
(25) Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
(26) The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.
(27) And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.
(28) And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Between wanting to see all the young men 3 times a year and worrying about food being left out or prepared in a way he doesn't like it's a very strange set of rules.

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28-06-2017, 01:54 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
Yeah and the interesting thing is probably no one but Moses really saw the first set from Exodus 20 because he broke them - it was the second set from Exodus 34 that were carried around and, at the very least, would have been the most viewed - yet, the first set most resembles the 10 commandments as we know them today.

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28-06-2017, 03:40 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
What's wrong with you obeying the voice in my head?

Huh? HUH!?

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28-06-2017, 04:09 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
Here are a few problems that I can think if:

1. It has useless commandments- Keep the Sabbath, don't use skydaddy's name in vain, etc.

2. It has immoral priorities - Keeping the Sabbath holy is more important than forbidding rape or slavery.

3. It is vague - Thou shall not kill is the most moral of the ten, yet it doesn't mention killing in terms of war or self defense or protecting other people, this a a glaring omission.

4. It has commandments that are counter to human rights- speech restrictions, pointless labor restrictions, demands for honoring parents when they may not deserve it, etc.

5. They are incomplete- almost everyone of them should have expanded explanations. Is it wrong to stop someone from murdering your family? etc.

6. They are needlessly rigid- any set of moral principles should have flexibility built into them instead of a list of thou shalt nots.

7. They are predominantly negative, telling you what you shouldn't do, 8 of the ten are "thou shalt nots" instead of a better approach that explains what you should do.

8. They are redundant- 3 "thou shall not covets".

9. They are hopelessly outdated- The golden rule; or the maxim of reciprocity, was already known in ancient Egypt during the time of the middle kingdom (2040 - 1650 BC). This was before the first writings of the bible even existed!

10. They are unnecessary, since the rule of reciprocity was already known, why use a clunky list that has rigid commandments instead of an over-arching principle like the golden rule? The biblical writers didn't have a good grasp of moral principles or were more interested in setting up rules that would only apply to a "chosen" people to justify the ensuing bloodbath in the story of Exodus.

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28-06-2017, 04:12 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
(27-06-2017 06:12 PM)Angra Mainyu Wrote:  To quote George Carlin, why TEN commandments? Why that number, ten? It's a psychologically satisfying number, that's why TEN commandments are cited in the Bible. One syllable, divisible by five, ten is a powerful number.

There were 15 Commandments. Moses dropped one of the tablets.

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28-06-2017, 04:13 PM
RE: What's wrong with the 10 commandments?
While we're on the subject ...
a couple of years ago on the grounds of Oklahoma state capital, a ten commandments monument was mowed down by a christee™ in a car who said Satan made him do it.




Eventually, that monument was ordered removed due to public outcry.

Now, just yesterday ...
a mere 24 hours after it was erected on the grounds of the state capital of Arkansas, some guy mowed that one down with a car, too!



And guess what ... ?

It was the same guy!!!

Come on ... who doesn't want a six foot tall tombstone of delusion on the public grounds where laws are established? Angel Freedom, indeed.

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28-06-2017, 04:25 PM
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